Great start, but lost. Locate the main mistake?!

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karant

It seems I started the game pretty well, with what looks like a bit of advantage by the end of move 14.  I played White and tried to chase the queen around and get the development done at the same time. 

I ended up loosing the game.  Where do you think I went wrong?  What was the biggest mistake?


Loomis

8. Ne5 doesn't really accomplish anything. And as pointed out 9. g3 just weakens your kingside. When your opponent brings their queen out early, you can get an advantage by making moves that attack the queen and simultaneously do something good for your position. But moves that just attack the queen but do nothing for your position or weaken it, don't help.

 

I prefer 8. d4 or 8. Re1. Continuing to develop and maintaining the possibility of a discovered attack by moving the knight later. Notice that 8. Ne5 Qh4 9. Bh5+ g6 10. Nxg6 hxg6 11. Bxg6+ Kd8 12. Re1 Be7 doesn't quite work because you don't have enough development. So continue to develop your pieces and then look to unleash an attack. 

 

12. Bd3 This attacks the queen, but doesn't gain much for you. An interesting idea here is 12. Bc4. Then you are threatening Qe2+ with a double attack on the a6 knight. If 12. ... Nb4 then you have 13. Nh4 and black can choose between

i) 13. ... Qxc2 14. Qh5+ g6 15. Nxg6

ii) 13. ... Qa4 14. Nd5 threatening both Nxc7 and Qh5+

 

I haven't examined all these ideas carefully, but there are some ideas to chew on. 


OhioCat110

From a strategic point of view, two things stand out.

One, even though you chased the queen around, it dominated the center of the board. Both e pawns were eliminated very early on, and the black queen was sitting on the e file, then in your territory for much of the opening. You developed, but had to do it around the queen.

Another was that you gave up your bishops in a game with a rather open board. The pawn structure in front of both kings made them vulnerable to diagonal attacks. Instead of trading bishops on turn 22, a better setup may have been on move 20: instead of pawn to b5, move your knight to b5 and bishop to f4 the next turn. You could possibly pick off two pawns with the knight at c7 then d5. You would lose the knight to the rook at d5, but you would strip the king of his defenses, preserve your bishop for the attack, and sacrifice a knight that was losing value in a spread out game.


qwerer
i think you should've attacked the king differently
karant

Thank you all for your feedback.  Very much appreciated.

12.Bd3 does seem like a lost opportunity, now that I look at it, and the end game is just a mess.


blackbishop997
I also think the g3 move was the end move for the win for black.Also,if your opponent is attacking you with more than one piece,you should defend the area that is being attacked,and forgetting the attack that you have.You can get back to the attacking position after your opponent's attack is eased off,or stopped.Sometimes I find that anyone can get carried away with a plan,and forget about what's happenning in your zone.T ake care.
123karpov
what the fck,,,thats how low-class people played chess.. look at the opening game.
grensley
Wow.  that is an awesome opening!  if he takes your knight he gets owned.
BirdsDaWord
2...f6 may be a blunder, but after Qe7, White was psychologically defeated.  His play was incoherent.  You should have just concentrated on straightforward development and sought a clear way to attack his weakened kingside.  The knight is posted at e5, so d4 was an early option after Qe7 and maybe preparing Qh5 ideas early.  But most important, when faced with the unusual, don't lose your head.  Play solid, and play for advantages like center control and safety of the king.  Then, your opponent's moves will make less sense.  And don't ever chase a queen unless it is worth it!  If you cannot see a clear path to doing it, you disorient your piece placement.  The fact is the queen may stand poorly at a lot of squares he chose...and if so, let it be!  If it needs a home, let it keep a bad one.  Maybe later, with subtle development, you can trap it.
opasan
grensley wrote: Wow.  that is an awesome opening!  if he takes your knight he gets owned.

 I don't understand that. Why black didn't played 3... xe5??? And why is White's opening so good? It ended with disoriented connection, I'd rather go for standard opening, taking control of the center. Especially after 2... f6.


gdal_muriel
opasan wrote: grensley wrote: Wow.  that is an awesome opening!  if he takes your knight he gets owned.

 I don't understand that. Why black didn't played 3... xe5??? And why is White's opening so good? It ended with disoriented connection, I'd rather go for standard opening, taking control of the center. Especially after 2... f6.


 if black plays 3... fxe5, he falls into a nasty trap


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dc1985
thing i saw most was move 30... you shouldve swapped the queens, man.Blacks queen just kept coming round to cause extreme griefand weaken your position pretty thorougly... thats what i saw.
Frankdawg
4. Nf3 is the 1st  mistake 4.Nd3 is the correct move

Frankdawg

12. Bd3 is a mistake 12 Ng4 is stronger imo, thats when your position got all funky


Loomis
Frankdawg wrote:

12. Bd3 is a mistake 12 Ng4 is stronger imo, thats when your position got all funky


 12. Ng4 isn't a legal move.


JG27Pyth

NMTonydal wrote: I think 14 Nd5 would be strong for you.  I don't think the bishop can be trapped after 14... Qxd5 15 Be4 Qh5 16 Bxa8 c6 due to 17 d5.

Nice! Cool tactics! I spent some time looking at this line, determined to refute it, and I've come to the conclusion that 14.Nd5 is strong, but then, *ahem* you knew that...Laughing The pin on the Ne7 is excrutiating. Black gets into horrible trouble if he tries to win the bishop. After Bxa8 I can't find any good moves for black...  (and the other line you gave is even worse for black)  

I think the moral of the story is... when you've got a pin -- find a way to exploit it! 


thepitbull

First, this is the Damiano opening that this game starts in.  Both sides play the opening up to the fourth of fifth move.  Second, I don't have a problem with 9.g3 for white, mainly because white still has the light bishop, and can fianchetto it to f3 then to g2 if necessary.  The problem with the game for black is that his kingside is damaged severely and permanently.  White, unfortunately, did not seem to play efficiently to prepare for a black queenside castle.  Having said that, I think you had a better 10th move as Bh5+ rather than 10.Nf3.  12. Bd3, I think slightly better is 12.Nh4. 16.Nxd4, I think better is 16. Rxd4. From this point, I really don't see too many critical problems until black played 30...Nb8.   Black should've played ..Nxb5.  But after 30...Nb8, white could answer with what I call a "devastating" move by playing 31. Nc5+.  From this point on it will be difficult for black to survive. For instance, if bxc5, then Qxc5 and there aren't too many favorable moves for black.