Why does the chess.com analysis always want you to trade pieces?

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The engine always encourages me to trade queens as early as possible. This is due to its well-researched analysis of my style of play which has concluded that I'll inevitably blunder my queen during the middle game so it's optimal for me to just pass her off early and at least get some material for it.... Genius.

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pgsystemtester wrote:

The engine always encourages me to trade queens as early as possible. This is due to its well-researched analysis of my style of play which has concluded that I'll inevitably blunder my queen during the middle game so it's optimal for me to just pass her off early .... 

I think it's more than that. A computer will always utilize a queen or knight better than most humans. Especially in the middle to end game phases. Thus, by getting those two opponent pieces removed from the game, you minimize the dangers of the pieces in the hands of an expert bot. I've been checked and simultaneously attacked elsewhere by a well-maneuvered queen too many times in games against bots. 

 

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I think maybe you're getting mixed up with the Game Review. GR isn't the anlysis tool and it's basically completely stupid and useless. But people pay .....

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I'm not confused at all... Deepmind always tells me to sacrifice my queen, even as early as move 4. And when I don't, Boom! I lose her due to some 7-year-old on Adderall who has cleverly forked her with my knight.  Honestly, I think my membership is well worth it -- without it, I'd really have no idea what's going on.

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pgsystemtester wrote:

I'm not confused at all... Deepmind always tells me to sacrifice my queen, even as early as move 4. And when I don't, Boom! I lose her due to some 7-year-old on Adderall who has cleverly forked her with my knight.  Honestly, I think my membership is well worth it -- without it, I'd really have no idea what's going on.

What is the point of explaining your joke? It's not that complicated, we all got it the first time.

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No-one is going to learn to play well by listening to Game Review.

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the reasons are pretty much trash and explain nothing

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RAU4ever wrote:

I don't see the engine doing this tbh. 

It happens to me all the time.

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SF2021 wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

I don't see the engine doing this tbh. 

It happens to me all the time.

The thing that you quoted ("the Coach") is not the engine. The Coach is a script developed by chess.com that makes nonsensical comments loosely based on the engine's evaluation. Very loosely.

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magipi wrote:
 

The thing that you quoted ("the Coach") is not the engine. The Coach is a script developed by chess.com that makes nonsensical comments loosely based on the engine's evaluation. Very loosely.

Got it. Thanks.

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magipi wrote:
SF2021 wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

I don't see the engine doing this tbh. 

It happens to me all the time.

The thing that you quoted ("the Coach") is not the engine. The Coach is a script developed by chess.com that makes nonsensical comments loosely based on the engine's evaluation. Very loosely.

^^^^
This

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SF2021 wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

I don't see the engine doing this tbh. 

It happens to me all the time.

It maybe happens because its interpretation is that +1.85 is a won game. It misses the fact that the evaluations are often nonsense and its +1.85 might really be +0.4, which isn't enough. It assumes that in a won game, the winning side simplifies.

Don't know though ... I've seen the same from it in an even position, which is completely crazy. So it may be that it shows a small, short-term advantage for trading and follows it. Coach should never, ever be trusted. Badly designed software and not how chess should be taught. Rubbish.

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SF2021 wrote:

 

 

I think the queen trade here is good because it would put you up in development by retaking with knight

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skoja5 wrote:
SF2021 wrote:

 

 

I think the queen trade here is good because it would put you up in development by retaking with knight

Yes. The queen trade is good, and if white moves the queen away, that is also good for black, as the dominating queen moved away.

On the other hand, the explanation of "the Coach" is just insane. So bad that it is hard to find words.

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magipi wrote:
skoja5 wrote:
SF2021 wrote:

 

 

I think the queen trade here is good because it would put you up in development by retaking with knight

Yes. The queen trade is good, and if white moves the queen away, that is also good for black, as the dominating queen moved away.

On the other hand, the explanation of "the Coach" is just insane. So bad that it is hard to find words.

LOL. Also if white moves queen away there is bishop f5 collaborating with the queen and attacking weak pawn

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Qf6 is poor. Nf6 or Ne7 are both better: take advantage of white's Q position and have fun. I even like b6 better than Qf6.

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OK I give in with Nf6. Imagined it might be ok but no.
Ne7 or b6 both look ok.

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Coach wants me to lift the blockade. 

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Well Its a computer, it's going to tell you to do something that a lot of players won't understand. If you click on "show moves" the computer is like, "Look, look!! But if you look 20 turns from now, your pawn isn't on the best square for the end game!! e.e."