Englund Gambit....✔️

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       I just played a game where I did the Englund Gambit on my opponent, and it worked!    

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Thanks for the game to my opponent (if you see this)!

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nice 

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nice

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nice

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Thank you everyone! happy.png

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nice👊🏻👍🏻

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My chess coach CM Pchelkin VK ( check him out on lichess  and chess.com) is using Englund as his main weapon against d4. He has beaten so many GM's with it, including Simon Williams and Penguin... Very strong gambit with lot's of tactical opportunities.

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AlexLush86 wrote:

My chess coach CM Pchelkin VK ( check him out on lichess  and chess.com) is using Englund as his main weapon against d4. He has beaten so many GM's with it, including Simon Williams and Penguin... Very strong gambit with lot's of tactical opportunities.

That's neat! 

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Why can't I see the game on my android?

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Moving the Bishop on c1 (I.e. Bf4 for example)is known to be a bad move by all decent players. It is really the only "trap" in the Englund. If white avoids that, black is pretty much a pawn down for nothing.

 

The EG is sort of like the fried liver. It is one of the next simple, trappy, but not really good openings that seems to attract developing players. 

 

Both of those openings will catch a few at lower rating levels, but will start to wear pretty thin as you play higher rated players.

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I played the Englund Gambit OTB for 2 years, only lost twice in about 30 games. Most of my opponents were rated between 1650-1800 USCF.  Even when I got an inferior position I scored well because I usually understood the position better than my opponent did, it also got my opponents out of their comfort zone and in to my comfort zone on the first move. I don't think it's the soundest opening, but it was fun to play.

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It can turn out bad for black if white does play the 'right' sequence of moves. @Morphys-Revenge.

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BlueHen86 wrote:

Even when I got an inferior position I scored well because I usually understood the position better than my opponent did, it also got my opponents out of their comfort zone and in to my comfort zone on the first move.

That's the reason dubious gambit openings work, until you reach a certain level. Same thing with the latvian gambit - i've scored well with it for exactly the same reasons.

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Every analysis says the reply is 2. E5, it appears every other move is a mistake, so as per above, if your opponent has developed a good game this will not happen.

So, don;t play it it can create bad habits and the associated problems.

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To those of you who plays englund gambit, what are your plans from this position? 

White is in no trouble at all, his plan is to develop & kick the black queen around. I've reached this position a couple of times as black and didn't found any good continuation, unless white blunders.

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kaukasar έγραψε:

To those of you who plays englund gambit, what are your plans from this position? 

White is in no trouble at all, his plan is to develop & kick the black queen around. I've reached this position a couple of times as black and didn't found any good continuation, unless white blunders.

 

I guess the only way to make this mess "playable" for Black, is sacrificing her Majesty for insufficiant material (two pieces plus a pawn).

Engines scream that white is winning, but in practice it's not THAT easy. This was tried by a Grandmaster recently (against another Grandmaster!), and while he failed to save the game, he put on remarkable resistance:

 

 

Under that sense, this position is "playable"- actually, you can see that a local woodpusher managed to blunder his own Queen a few moves later.

The question is, who is willing to suffer like that with little chances to escape...

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kaukasar wrote:

To those of you who plays englund gambit, what are your plans from this position? 

White is in no trouble at all, his plan is to develop & kick the black queen around. I've reached this position a couple of times as black and didn't found any good continuation, unless white blunders.

 

Black is almost losing! That is.

It is the reason you rarely see such useless gambits in high rated levels. If the opponent can figure out the first 10 moves correctly, 99% gambits/ traps fail with permanent material loss.

If you dont know how to respond vs unknown gambit, try vs Leela/ Stockfish. Stockfish or Leela will not fail aginst 99% of such gambits.

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@pfren I've recently watched a video on youtube where Aman plays this opening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuTKl33Mq9U As far as i can see, it is a proof of Aman's playing skills rather than the soundness of the opening. Do you agree? It reminds me of that famous Fisher game where he sac'ed his queen quite early and won with superior minor piece play - it takes a tremendous skill to do that. I am sure i would lose 100% of the time if i played Aman's variation against equally rated opponents.

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I tried Aman's variation against the computer at a level where i usually can beat it - the game was just as unplayable as i was expecting, a complete misery for black! 

Now i need a beer or two.