First win against 1900 in blitz (unrated). Accused of cheating in the chat :( - Chess Forums - Page 2

llama36

Nov 5, 2022

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#21

Given the rating and time stamps, it looks like cheating to me.

Chess.com probably wont ban you for just that game, but if I were your opponent I'd think you're cheating too.

llama36

Nov 5, 2022

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#22

B1ZMARK wrote:

psychohist wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

21. Nb6+ is a red flag. Most people would have simply taken the rook on h8. I assume this was a blitz game, due to #3.

I could see a 1000 wanting to do both rook forks. Black's play does not look like a 1900 to me, though.

If it was a longer game, like 10min, I would probably be more understanding. But I find it strange that a 1000 can spot a move like that in blitz.

Isn't it interesting how spending 7 seconds on every move has the magic effect of finding the best move

llama36

Nov 5, 2022

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#23

Oh ok, so the game isn't perfect... I guess maybe not cheating? I guess?

But yeah, I wouldn't be happy with a very low rated opponent taking a long time on easy moves...

llama36

Nov 5, 2022

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#24

pfren wrote:

Black played like a monkey in this game- one bad move after the other.

He plays bullet almost exclusively hgere, and after 9000+ "games" his brains are naturally fried.

It's pretty normal to play like garbage in unrated games though... people play unrated because they know they don't deserve the rating, or they're drunk, etc.

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#25

llama36 wrote:

pfren wrote:

Black played like a monkey in this game- one bad move after the other.

He plays bullet almost exclusively hgere, and after 9000+ "games" his brains are naturally fried.

It's pretty normal to play like garbage in unrated games though... people play unrated because they know they don't deserve the rating, or they're drunk, etc.

or, like hustling in billiards, they are luring in their prey.

ericthatwho

Nov 5, 2022

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#26

I wonder why people cheat and then post the game.

We see your dirty hinderhole its between your shoulders.

Batman2508

Nov 5, 2022

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#27

I can't blame him to be honest. This was a pretty suspicious game, and if I was black I would have my suspicions as well. But I don't think you were cheating, and just got lucky.

ajayjha25

Nov 5, 2022

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#28

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

anthony59237 wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

I beat an fm rated 2700 on lichess.

am I cheeting?

Does FM stand for fraud master?

@ajayjha25, that is really 2400, since they start 300 points higher than Chess.com and I would be curious to see the PGN and know your OTB credentials

I actually don't have an OTB rating due to migration

Also, 2200+ ratings are not inflated and are actually harder to reach on lichess

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#29

ajayjha25 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

anthony59237 wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

I beat an fm rated 2700 on lichess.

am I cheeting?

Does FM stand for fraud master?

@ajayjha25, that is really 2400, since they start 300 points higher than Chess.com and I would be curious to see the PGN and know your OTB credentials

I actually don't have an OTB rating due to migration

Also, 2200+ ratings are not inflated and are actually harder to reach on lichess

That is an easy claim to make about Lichess with no evidence to back it up. Not only do you start 300 points higher, so it isn't a matter of inflation, there is more cheating on Lichess, so it may be harder to maintain it. However, if you are maintaining it, you are either an unproven master or....

...I have to wonder how many unproven masters there are in the world. It is possible, especially in poorer countries, where there simply aren't good structures of clubs and ratings, or where people don't have time and money to prove it OTB, since they are stuck in survival mode.

ajayjha25

Nov 5, 2022

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#30

USCF tournaments take time and money, making them impractical for me atm

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#31

ajayjha25 wrote:

USCF tournaments take time and money, making them impractical for me atm

I have the same issue. I have a family to support and young kids. I am also an older fellow with no established rating, so I would likely be submarined continually by kids who are far underrated. I have heard stories where there is no interest in adult prodigies.

Batman2508

Nov 5, 2022

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#32

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

anthony59237 wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

I beat an fm rated 2700 on lichess.

am I cheeting?

Does FM stand for fraud master?

@ajayjha25, that is really 2400, since they start 300 points higher than Chess.com and I would be curious to see the PGN and know your OTB credentials

I actually don't have an OTB rating due to migration

Also, 2200+ ratings are not inflated and are actually harder to reach on lichess

That is an easy claim to make about Lichess with no evidence to back it up. Not only do you start 300 points higher, so it isn't a matter of inflation, there is more cheating on Lichess, so it may be harder to maintain it. However, if you are maintaining it, you are either an unproven master or....

...I have to wonder how many unproven masters there are in the world. It is possible, especially in poorer countries, where there simply aren't good structures of clubs and ratings, or where people don't have time and money to prove it OTB, since they are stuck in survival mode.

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense. And being a 2200+ player on lichess myself I can agree to the fact that there is less inflation at that point. I have heard many people say the same thing and some point I did even a see a graph of it.

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#33

Batman2508 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

anthony59237 wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

I beat an fm rated 2700 on lichess.

am I cheeting?

Does FM stand for fraud master?

@ajayjha25, that is really 2400, since they start 300 points higher than Chess.com and I would be curious to see the PGN and know your OTB credentials

I actually don't have an OTB rating due to migration

Also, 2200+ ratings are not inflated and are actually harder to reach on lichess

That is an easy claim to make about Lichess with no evidence to back it up. Not only do you start 300 points higher, so it isn't a matter of inflation, there is more cheating on Lichess, so it may be harder to maintain it. However, if you are maintaining it, you are either an unproven master or....

...I have to wonder how many unproven masters there are in the world. It is possible, especially in poorer countries, where there simply aren't good structures of clubs and ratings, or where people don't have time and money to prove it OTB, since they are stuck in survival mode.

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense. And being a 2200+ player on lichess myself I can agree to the fact that there is less inflation at that point. I have heard many people say the same thing and some point I did even a see a graph of it.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Chess_Player_lol

Nov 5, 2022

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#34

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

anthony59237 wrote:

ajayjha25 wrote:

I beat an fm rated 2700 on lichess.

am I cheeting?

Does FM stand for fraud master?

@ajayjha25, that is really 2400, since they start 300 points higher than Chess.com and I would be curious to see the PGN and know your OTB credentials

I actually don't have an OTB rating due to migration

Also, 2200+ ratings are not inflated and are actually harder to reach on lichess

That is an easy claim to make about Lichess with no evidence to back it up. Not only do you start 300 points higher, so it isn't a matter of inflation, there is more cheating on Lichess, so it may be harder to maintain it. However, if you are maintaining it, you are either an unproven master or....

...I have to wonder how many unproven masters there are in the world. It is possible, especially in poorer countries, where there simply aren't good structures of clubs and ratings, or where people don't have time and money to prove it OTB, since they are stuck in survival mode.

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense. And being a 2200+ player on lichess myself I can agree to the fact that there is less inflation at that point. I have heard many people say the same thing and some point I did even a see a graph of it.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

i mean there is proof that the rating more or less equalizes as you go up https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/

however to make a bold claim about lichess having more uncaught cheaters is not something you should say unless you can back it up with proof.

sndeww

Nov 5, 2022

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#35

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Lichess aggressively bans people on their site, compared to cc who only bans cheaters if they are almost statistically certain. So it would make sense that there are less cheaters on Lichess.

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#36

Would the testimony of a Cheating Forum admin/ site moderator from Chess.com telling you that Chess.com has ran their own cheat detection system on Lichess games for comparison, to see if Lichess is doing a better job, make any difference to you, or would you say it's him defending Chess.com?

Where do you think I got the idea?

Batman2508

Nov 5, 2022

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#37

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Would the testimony of a Cheating Forum admin/ site moderator from Chess.com telling you that Chess.com has ran their own cheat detection system on Lichess games for comparison, to see if Lichess is doing a better job, make any difference to you, or would you say it's him defending Chess.com?

Where do you think I got the idea?

Well yeah its a chess.com mod so they're always doing to support chess.com

Batman2508

Nov 5, 2022

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#38

B1ZMARK wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Lichess aggressively bans people on their site, compared to cc who only bans cheaters if they are almost statistically certain. So it would make sense that there are less cheaters on Lichess.

Honestly a few of my friends have gotten banned here and promised me they didn't cheat, and made new accounts and got closed over and over again so I don't feel to good about chesss.com cheat detection

Christopher_Parsons

Nov 5, 2022

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#39

Batman2508 wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Lichess aggressively bans people on their site, compared to cc who only bans cheaters if they are almost statistically certain. So it would make sense that there are less cheaters on Lichess.

Honestly a few of my friends have gotten banned here and promised me they didn't cheat, and made new accounts and got closed over and over again so I don't feel to good about chesss.com cheat detection

Some people think they can pick moves from a list that are outside of the top 3 engine choices, use a bot that they are told is uncatchable, or cheat in some games and not others, or a move here or move there, but they know nothing of forensic statistics. Every attempt to hide the evidence leaves a new fingerprint. If your friends didn't cheat, they wouldn't have gotten banned. It is as simple as that. I have met some cheaters who seemed nice and used an engine on me. It happens to the best of us.

Batman2508

Nov 5, 2022

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#40

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

Christopher_Parsons wrote:

Batman2508 wrote:

More cheaters on lichess? That makes absolutely no sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Lichess aggressively bans people on their site, compared to cc who only bans cheaters if they are almost statistically certain. So it would make sense that there are less cheaters on Lichess.

Honestly a few of my friends have gotten banned here and promised me they didn't cheat, and made new accounts and got closed over and over again so I don't feel to good about chesss.com cheat detection

Some people think they can pick moves from a list that are outside of the top 3 engine choices, use a bot that they are told is uncatchable, or cheat in some games and not others, or a move here or move there, but they know nothing of forensic statistics. Every attempt to hide the evidence leaves a new fingerprint. If your friends didn't cheat, they wouldn't have gotten banned. It is as simple as that. I have met some cheaters who seemed nice and used an engine on me. It happens to the best of us.

No its not like that he's around master level in otb 2200 rating and he only plays classical.