Is there no immediate win here?

  • #1

    for white?

     

     

  • #2

    h5 looks pretty convincing.

    For instance 1.h5 gxh4 2.Qh4, or 1.h5 Kg7 2.hxg6 with the threat Rh7+ and Qh(something)

  • #3

    I have a giant diagram going for 50 minutes now. I'm not using a computer, that's cheatingTongue Out. I have just about everything but Kg7 nailed down.

  • #4

    btw, instead of qh4 in the first variation, I sac the rook leading to a quick forced mate, i haven't analyzed qh4 at all. Does it force mate too?

  • #5
    falcogrine wrote:

    btw, instead of qh4 in the first variation, I sac the rook leading to a quick forced mate, i haven't analyzed qh4 at all. Does it force mate too?

    Are you sure ? I looked at that (without a diagram though) and it seemed like c1=Q busts it. But I might be just wrong.

  • #6

    1.h5 seems immediately decisive forexample 1.gxh5 2.Rxh5+ Kxh5 3.Rh1+ Kg7 4.Nh7+ or 1...c1=Q 2.hXg6+ Qxh1 3.Rxh1+ Kg7 4.Rh7+ etc

    2...Kg7 3.Rxc1 with idea of 3...Rxc1 4.Rh7+ Kg8 5.Rxe7 Ra2+ 6.Kg1 a2 7.Qh4 Qa1+ and it seems to me black cant defend against mate.

    now i m tired and i hope i havenot overlooked anything obvious in my calculations.

  • #7

    After I posted the above comments, it wouldn't let me insert the diagram:( Here is the new one I made, it should have all the same variations showing a forced win.

    Please check and tell me if I missed anything.

    This was a very interesting position.

  • #8

    Also fun are those lines, as well as Nh7, after h5 Kg7. They don't seem to lead anywhere, but are pretty fun to analyze.

  • #9

    Well, the idea that everyone is missing (including me when I first analyzed the position) is that black has an amazing counter tactical shot.

     



  • #10

    I'd reply 29. Qh4.

  • #11

    What is black's response to 30.Qh4 instead of Rh7+?

  • #12

    Another possible defense for black may be 27....Rh8

  • #13

    varelse, that would turn rather interesting after Ngf7+.

  • #14

    Wouldn't marching the pawn all the way up also acomplish this win? any exchange would just benefit white's position.

  • #15

    you can't march the pawn up, the king can hide in the corner and block it. Also, c1=Q as well as black's material advantage, and a-pawns, guarantees a black win in that case.

  • #16
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