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fireballz

Remember the golden rule...a king can only be in check, if the opponent have control of such square...the aim of chess is not  checkmate, but to control space, and therefore to wipe opponent from the board.  If the opponent are pinned or cramped to zero space, then there is nothing to win, or to play for...Opponent would just give up.

Its a brutal and unkind game...The winner take all.

fireballz
Gambitking wrote:

In the end, chess is NOT about 'capturing the king'...

A king CANNOT step into check--it is simply an illegal move! Therefore, if taking a piece would place the king IN CHECK, then the king cannot take the piece, EVEN IF the piece that would cause the king to be in check is itself pinned.

What I'm assuming, here, is that you disallow checks from pieces that are pinned... however, such a check can be an integral part of a strategy!

 

Basically, interference tactics are some of the most beautiful, hardest to find,, and most misunderstood moves--taking them away takes away from the richness of the game of chess!

The Gambit King


 Be6 is double check!

The bishop is pinned by the rook

I would play: Bb8 to C7check!, take note that the white bishop have no control on c8(Its pinned)

Defense is as powerful as attack!

haha, ok you had me at my own game, see what I mean, i missed that it is not check, because the bishop is pinned by the rook!

fireballz

I have to admit that a little support from someone thats understanding is just great! At a stage, I really questioned my sanity. I was about to give up. I believe there are more of your kind, gambit kingSmile Don't be shy now.

Look, before computers, it would be very hard to play chess the new way. Imagine all the arguments and misunderstanding, it can get violent and that...but today, computer control the rules, and will not make a move that is out of character.

We can do it in 2010! Play it new!

Tactical chess ruleWink

We need it ready for Poland 2011,ya?

fireballz
oinquarki wrote:

I really don't see how so many people can be criticizing fireballz. It's quite logical that sense the queen is defended by the rook, then it isn't checkmate, and black wins. Of course computers don't understand it; How can a computer be expected understand such an essentially human thing as defending a comrade?

 

"A sure sign of genius is that a confederacy of dunces will form to oppose it."

---Johnathan Swift


 bro! You are new generation! please to meetLaughing

Phil_A_S

You do realize that Gambitking is actually saying that such a rule would hurt chess and chess tactics, right?

Spektrowski

OK, a retroanalysis problem. Determine winner in this sick idiotic joke of a position.

fireballz
Phil_A_S wrote:

You do realize that Gambitking is actually saying that such a rule would hurt chess and chess tactics, right?


 I do. Its a risk to change...you might lose everything, the beauty of the current situation can blind us to explore greater things...but imagination brought the current game, and it will take us to the future.

ThisIsHowItsDone

 How about this?

does this mean the king is not checkmated?

fireballz
Spektrowski wrote:

 

OK, a retroanalysis problem. Determine winner in this sick idiotic joke of a position.

 


 haha, dr jackall and mr hide! What have you on the table, bro?Laughing

MyCowsCanFly
oinquarki wrote: "A sure sign of genius is that a confederacy of dunces will form to oppose it."

---Johnathan Swift


 "A Confederacy of Dunces" is also a great book.

"Like a bitch in heat, I seem to attract a coterie of policemen and sanitation officials. "
John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)

"You could tell by the way he talked, though, that he had gone to school a long time. That was probably what was wrong with him."
John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)

fireballz
Spektrowski wrote:

 

OK, a retroanalysis problem. Determine winner in this sick idiotic joke of a position.

 


 QxB is mate!!! no!!!!! white cannot move! I overlooked it Its checkmate! You got me for a moment bro:) am I right?

fireballz
ThisIsHowItsDone wrote:

 

 How about this?

 

does this mean the king is not checkmated?


 yes! The king can go to f6...the knight have no value.  It is pined-an perfect example. pin need to be broken, e.g if the king move and break the pin, then the knight would regain its value, and the king would be in check:)

fireballz
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
oinquarki wrote: "A sure sign of genius is that a confederacy of dunces will form to oppose it."

---Johnathan Swift


 "A Confederacy of Dunces" is also a great book.

"Like a bitch in heat, I seem to attract a coterie of policemen and sanitation officials. "
John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)

"You could tell by the way he talked, though, that he had gone to school a long time. That was probably what was wrong with him."
John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)


 lmfao, yeah rightWink

fireballz
fireballz wrote:
Spektrowski wrote:

 

OK, a retroanalysis problem. Determine winner in this sick idiotic joke of a position.

 


 QxB is mate!!! no!!!!! white cannot move! I overlooked it Its checkmate! You got me for a moment bro:) am I right?


This position is very complex, but white cannot move, because the game is over! Actually, both kings is already in a checkmate position, so this puzzle is not a good example at all.  Both checkmates is done with same principle in mind...you cannot pin with a pinned piece.

fireballz

how can I reduce the control the rook have on the d-file, and thus counter the check situation?
fireballz

we can see that the rook cannot control the f-file. It is logic.

The rule state that a pinned piece do not loose power, and the king would be in a check position!

fireballz

by replacing the king with a queen, i dare the rook to capture the queen without checking himself.

We all know that you cannot put yourself into check .

To the untrained eye, it might seem as if the rook have power on the d-file...but i picked up the pin immediately. The queen is safe as houses, and so is the white king.

My question is, what is the reason for a rule that is not logic, if the whole game is about strategy and logic?

Are we monkey see, monkey do people?

should we teach our children this concept, after our eyes opened?

It would reflect bad on us.

The only value that I can read within the current chess rules is this.

To play a game, do not have to make sense, because the rules would determine if you want to play chess or checkers.

Playing a game is to submit you to the rules of it, either logical or make belief, but in line with what is within the rule book.

To change rules is to create a new game.

we should not question the intentions of the game , just play, and enjoy...Laughingsurfs up,bro!!!!Laughing

fireballz
RealityMate wrote:

I have a much simpler way to say this.  I've combed through a lot of this thread, and someone may have already stated it this way and I apologize if I'm repeating what's been said: many people have said the obvious thing, that the king can't move into check.  However, the OP continues to say that "the pinned piece can do nothing".  This is where the question arises: what is a pin?  what is the piece pinned to?  The piece is pinned to the king.  Therefore, moving the piece would result in the king being taken next move.  However, obviously, the piece taking the king would happen first, therefore ending the game.  I believe the misunderstanding here originated due to the OP not understanding the concept of a pinned piece correctly.  This is why it is ridiculous to say that pinned pieces have no power; the pin is relative.


 with all respect, it is my believe that pieces have value.

the value of any piece/pawns increase multiple times, when they control squares that is worth much,much more than other squares(Like property)

You cannot claim property if it does not belong to you.

You can only own something if you as a person is worth having it.

The rook cannot claim to own the land on which the opponents king is standing, if the land on which it self is standing on is at question.

Even in a business world, we call it dodge characters...we cannot take them serious. They are in a position of drowning, meaning, they would bring their own house down if stop swimming...let alone to claim victory. The rook is bluffing...and to rip out a gun and shoot the king does not make sense, not in such a noble game.

kevlarpapermache

I only read the 1st and 6th pages. The fact that this thread continues is just plain stupid.

fireballz

We have too understand a pin.

But first, we have to understand the value of a king.

A king is the most valuable piece on the board. The king represent YOU!

Nothing happens without the kings instruction.

The king can attack or defend using strategy and tactics etc

at any moment, the king can give up, even if the king is winning.

The pieces of a king is protecting his integrity

Integrity is the most valuable thing to humanity, and chess represent that.

We as kings, must do what we feel is the right thing, without having someone that supervise our actions or intentions.

We know what is right and wrong, because we are human.

once you have integrity, you cannot loose it. It is edged into you.

You are the king, and the king are honorable.

That is the value of a king.

A pin is anything that would protect the king, with self sacrifice, in order not to leave the kings side, but to stand your ground to protect the King.

The last thing you want to do is running to the other king, chop his head off, then run back and find your kings head is also on the floorLaughing

A pinned piece is in a defensive position, and defense is the opposite of attack. It is a worthy position to protect the king and it would fall with the king if it is found weak, by the opponent