The Yugoslavians tried to attack the Dragon, but they were just devoured.

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Here's a Yugoslav Attack / Dragon game I played against a friend earlier today. It's part of my ongoing series to prove Bobby Fischer was wrong about the Dragon. Indeed, Bobby Fischer's quote of "all you have to do is open the H-file and sac, sac, mate" has actually been a blessing in disguise, since a lot of people underestimate the Dragon now, and don't realize how difficult this plan is to achieve in actuality when there's a counter-attack going on.

One of the features that stands out to me about this game was how white's queen became imprisioned on h6 after recapturing the bishop, leaving the rest of my pieces to run rampant on the white king.

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15 g5 was absolutely awful. otherwise i also don't think this can really be called a yugoslav attack but the game was pretty well played from your side :p

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That's one of the reasons the Yugoslav attack is busted, the standard strategy is to strip the bishop out, but in doing so the queen goes to an ineffectual square. Haha, jk.

I actually like the Yugoslav attack and this is the reason why I play the Dragon.  The funest games I've had have been in this no matter who wins, it's always close and exciting. I played another guy in it today but it was a draw, though I hear among grandmasters a draw as black is an accomplisment in itself.

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Copared to Bobby what are you? Probably sloppy, i find the game boring, full of mistakes and miscalculations, perhaps the kind found on the games of a grade 6 student.

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yll9 wrote:

Copared to Bobby what are you? Probably sloppy, i find the game boring, full of mistakes and miscalculations, perhaps the kind found on the games of a grade 6 student.

Haha. Well I'm glad you found it compelling enough to view and comment on yll9.  i'm sure whatever mistakes can be found in the game pale in comparison to your grammatical mistakes and butchery of the English language. Oh and thanks for letting me know Bobby Fischer was a better chess player than me, if you hadn't told me that I never would have guessed.

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Agreeing with LoveYouSoMuch: not a Yugoslav. 8. f3 would have been it. 11.f3 is just weird.

8. Bh6 is a little early. In fact after 8. Bh6 Bxh6 9. Qxh6 Qb6 would have been strong, hitting b2, d4 and f2, like after 10. Nb3 Ng4 11. Qd2 Nc6 black's shining.

Also 15. g5 is terribad. e5 and h5 should be the only breaks you look at here. Well, maybe f5 too.

Fischer's recipe involves ramming a h-pawn down quickly, e.g. h4-h5. If ...Nxh5 Rxh5 usually and try for mate. Protip: Also a good recipe against white's 5. g3 setups in the Albin.

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Remellion wrote:

Agreeing with LoveYouSoMuch: not a Yugoslav. 8. f3 would have been it. 11.f3 is just weird.

8. Bh6 is a little early. In fact after 8. Bh6 Bxh6 9. Qxh6 Qb6 would have been strong, hitting b2, d4 and f2, like after 10. Nb3 Ng4 11. Qd2 Nc6 black's shining.

Also 15. g5 is terribad. e5 and h5 should be the only breaks you look at here. Well, maybe f5 too.

Fischer's recipe involves ramming a h-pawn down quickly, e.g. h4-h5. If ...Nxh5 Rxh5 usually and try for mate. Protip: Also a good recipe against white's 5. g3 setups in the Albin.

Thanks for the input as always. Queen to b6 on move nine is an interesting idea, but my logic is the knight on d4 could have just hopped back to b3 and everything is protected, and I'd be moving my queen around while most of my pieces are still on the back rank. Edited to add and if knight g4 on move 10 the queen  can go back to f4. WIth this it seems not only would I be moving my queen out early but also moving my knight twice in the opening, a knight that will shortly be kicked back with f3 and have to move yet again, So it seems like that would be moving a knight twice for the sole purpose of getting white's queen to a more active square. Remember that it was the queen staying on h6 that allowed it to be trapped there in the first place. We don't want to bring it back where it can gaurd the Queenside. Also with a knight on g4 a hole would be created on d5 for the c3 knight, from which position it would fork the black queen on b6 and the e7 pawn.

Whatever Fischer's specific plan was, I know there has been an answer found to it. I don't pretend like I could beat Bobby Fischer with the Dragon, but I sincerly believe that if there are two evenly matched players playing a Dragon/Yugoslav attack game, there will be chances for both sides and that there is no silver bullet (or sword) for slaying the Dragon.

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AdorableMogwai wrote:
yll9 wrote:

Copared to Bobby what are you? Probably sloppy, i find the game boring, full of mistakes and miscalculations, perhaps the kind found on the games of a grade 6 student.

Haha. Well I'm glad you found it compelling enough to view and comment on yll9.  i'm sure whatever mistakes can be found in the game pale in comparison to your grammatical mistakes and butchery of the English language. Oh and thanks for letting me know Bobby Fischer was a better chess player than me, if you hadn't told me that I never would have guessed.

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The mistakes in the game don't pale in comparison to anything.

7. Qd2?

7...0-0?

8. Bh6?! seems to early

10. Nxc6?!

11. f3?

14. 0-0-0??

15. g5??

After that it's just lost.

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yll9 wrote:
AdorableMogwai wrote:
yll9 wrote:

Copared to Bobby what are you? Probably sloppy, i find the game boring, full of mistakes and miscalculations, perhaps the kind found on the games of a grade 6 student.

Haha. Well I'm glad you found it compelling enough to view and comment on yll9.  i'm sure whatever mistakes can be found in the game pale in comparison to your grammatical mistakes and butchery of the English language. Oh and thanks for letting me know Bobby Fischer was a better chess player than me, if you hadn't told me that I never would have guessed.

Wow, a grammar Nazi, go eat a raw burger somewhere else. My only mistake was the mispelling of "compared" a typographical error, i don't take the time to capitilize "I" or the first letter of every sentence because you're not worth the effort. Looking at what you said makes my head hurt so bad in an effort to read that i wish you'd have written it in ancient greek instead. Such gibberish is not even worth this much attention. This is a chess site not a "Learn how to type and spell correctly site, nor is it a grammar school". i'm sure my butchery of the english language can not even be compared to your obvious lack of proper judgement. i'd say you lacked skills, but the only skills you have are good for nothing less meager than panning for gold in a sewer. Having mentioned you're not worth this much effort i'll point out why i took the time to say this anyway, i'm fond of charity and you happen to be in need of a lot of it, farewell i hope to never have to see your repulsive game again ugh.

This is why I love the chess.com forums. What starts out as a fun post of a game can quickly turn into a crazy person giving a vitriolic paragraph-long rant about their grammar and talking about panning for gold in a sewer.

Btw, yll9 I looked at your recent games and all of them are against people in the 1100s and 1200s, with a ton of stupid mistakes, so you're one to talk. The White player in the above game would probably beat you.

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shepi13 wrote:

The mistakes in the game don't pale in comparison to anything.

7. Qd2?

7...0-0?

8. Bh6?! seems to early

10. Nxc6?!

11. f3?

14. 0-0-0??

15. g5??

After that it's just lost.

7. Qd2 7. O-O-O and 11. f3 weren't mistakes. You're trying too hard to be critical and just making yourself look stupid. 14. and 15 were mistakes by white, but people making mistakes is how chess games are won. If everyone played perfectly then all games would be a draw.

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first off that isnt even the yugoslav main line. second Bh6 was too early and white needed to develop Bc4 and castle long and then play h4-h5 before Bh6. And u also arent supposed to take the Bishop on h6 either.

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Hello Adorable Mogwai.

I wanted to know if you considered an interesting continuation I saw in your game. What if 22...Qd4+? Here is my analysis

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UltraLaser wrote:

White played Qd2 before playing f3, and therefore you should have punished them by playing Ng4 - Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6 is a line that I think is good for black. However white was allowed to get away with not playing it, and I don't think Bh6 is too early - white is basically a tempo up with not playing f3 yet and Bh6 is a logical continuation. I think Nxc6 was white's main opening mistake - 0-0-0 is much better.

Thanks for your comment.

I probably should have played Ng4, but it's just been imprinted in my mind not to move pieces twice during the opening when I'm undeveloped. Though I definitely see the logic in doing so after you mentioned that possible line, do you think in response to Ng4 white would be ok making another developing move and letting the knight trade itself for the bishop knowing that it would give a lead in development? White could then castle kingside.

There's also the opening trap white gets if black plays an early Ng4, though of course that's with the queen on d1. Still I remember in one of my early Dragon games a few months ago I fell for this trap,, so perhaps subconsciously I now have a fear of making an early Ng4 and that's why I didn't even consider it.

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RC-1140 wrote:

first off that isnt even the yugoslav main line. second Bh6 was too early and white needed to develop Bc4 and castle long and then play h4-h5 before Bh6. And u also arent supposed to take the Bishop on h6 either.

Sometimes it's ok to take the bishop on h6, in this situation I thought it was.

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chessman1504 wrote:

Hello Adorable Mogwai.

I wanted to know if you considered an interesting continuation I saw in your game. What if 22...Qd4+? Here is my analysis

 

Nice analysis. I think that was good continuation, though it checkmates in in 29 moves instead of 28. I ran a computer analysis of the game and after move 20 it has white at a negative 15 disadvantage so there are probably various forced wins at that point.

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AdorableMogwai wrote:
 

Here's a Yugoslav Attack / Dragon game I played against a friend earlier today. It's part of my ongoing series to prove Bobby Fischer was wrong about the Dragon. Indeed, Bobby Fischer's quote of "all you have to do is open the H-file and sac, sac, mate" has actually been a blessing in disguise, since a lot of people underestimate the Dragon now, and don't realize how difficult this plan is to achieve in actuality when there's a counter-attack going on.

One of the features that stands out to me about this game was how white's queen became imprisioned on h6 after recapturing the bishop, leaving the rest of my pieces to run rampant on the white king.

hey u played good. But u missed the some little calculation. When u r playing dragon with White pieces . you need to target the following Squares:

1. The Famous Knight Leap to d5
2. Weakness at f7
3. Rook Sacrifice at h7
4. Deadly Knight
5. Weakness of Black's Back Rank
6. Deflection of King to h8
7. Break at e5
8. Break at f5
9. Sacrifice at f6

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UltraLaser wrote:
AdorableMogwai wrote:
UltraLaser wrote:

White played Qd2 before playing f3, and therefore you should have punished them by playing Ng4 - Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6 is a line that I think is good for black. However white was allowed to get away with not playing it, and I don't think Bh6 is too early - white is basically a tempo up with not playing f3 yet and Bh6 is a logical continuation. I think Nxc6 was white's main opening mistake - 0-0-0 is much better.

Thanks for your comment.

I probably should have played Ng4, but it's just been imprinted in my mind not to move pieces twice during the opening when I'm undeveloped. Though I definitely see the logic in doing so after you mentioned that possible line, do you think in response to Ng4 white would be ok making another developing move and letting the knight trade itself for the bishop knowing that it would give a lead in development? White could then castle kingside.

There's also the opening trap white gets if black plays an early Ng4, though of course that's with the queen on d1. Still I remember in one of my early Dragon games a few months ago I fell for this trap,, so perhaps subconsciously I now have a fear of making an early Ng4 and that's why I didn't even consider it.

 Although it looks strange moving the same piece twice, it is black's best response to Qd2. This is because if white allows the trade of knight for bishop, then it is great for black - the bishop can be used to swap off arguably the most powerful piece in the dragon, black's dark squared bishop. So if white wants to still have chances of swapping off black's bishop, then he needs to play Bg5 to keep it on (bear in mind Bf4 falls into e5). 

Like you I fell into that trap once after Be3 Ng4??, when white has a poweful Bb5+ followed by Qxg4. So i understand that it looks like a strange move after Qd2. However it is certainly black's best move, to punish white for not playing f3.

Hm, so you don't think white would have adequate compensation for Black's dragon bishop being unopposed with the lead in development? The Yugoslav attack plan would definitely be off the table, but white could perhaps castle kingside and try for a classical approach.

I'm sure you're right though, being more experienced in the dragon than I am, so I will try Ng4 if the same situation ever occurs.

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Sanket44 wrote:
AdorableMogwai wrote:
 

Here's a Yugoslav Attack / Dragon game I played against a friend earlier today. It's part of my ongoing series to prove Bobby Fischer was wrong about the Dragon. Indeed, Bobby Fischer's quote of "all you have to do is open the H-file and sac, sac, mate" has actually been a blessing in disguise, since a lot of people underestimate the Dragon now, and don't realize how difficult this plan is to achieve in actuality when there's a counter-attack going on.

One of the features that stands out to me about this game was how white's queen became imprisioned on h6 after recapturing the bishop, leaving the rest of my pieces to run rampant on the white king.

hey u played good. But u missed the some little calculation. When u r playing dragon with White pieces . you need to target the following Squares:

1. The Famous Knight Leap to d5
2. Weakness at f7
3. Rook Sacrifice at h7
4. Deadly Knight
5. Weakness of Black's Back Rank
6. Deflection of King to h8
7. Break at e5
8. Break at f5
9. Sacrifice at f6

Thanks Sanket. It seems there are a lot of important concepts to keep in mind here.

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UltraLaser wrote:

White played Qd2 before playing f3, and therefore you should have punished them by playing Ng4 - Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6 is a line that I think is good for black. However white was allowed to get away with not playing it, and I don't think Bh6 is too early - white is basically a tempo up with not playing f3 yet and Bh6 is a logical continuation. I think Nxc6 was white's main opening mistake - 0-0-0 is much better.

Exactly why I gave Qd2?, a known mistake, and 0-0?, failing to punish it, question marks.

I would rather begin with h4 and play Bh6 later, at the moment it leaves some loose pieces to play Bh6 already.

11. f3? seems to just lose the tempo already gained.