15-Minute vs. Blitz

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Warbringer33
skotheim2 wrote:

This is simple. I had no chance of being able to play blitz when I was lower rated, all I played was Standard, and that is my 100 games that I have on standard on my profile. Then I gradually improved, and things was easier to understand, and less time was needed for each move. Therefore I started playing 5|2 , 10|0,  5|0, and improved even more, then I started playing bullet and 3|0. You just have to let the time you need go, and decide for yourself what time control is right for you. This is the simple truth, and what most people miss.

 

This is a very frequent game I recently played in 3|0, and with decent quality, and below I will show a poor quality 30|0 game I played a long time ago.

 

 

 



 

Obviously I know you prefer to play chess OTB so when it comes down to it there - What do you prefer: Classical, blitz, or bullet?

And yeah I see what you're saying in that as you improved you played even better in 3/0 than you previously did in 30/0. That's where I think one of the better benefits of rapid and blitz chess are though: More experience in a shorter period of time. It's just that of course the quality of the game for ME is going to be better at 15/0 than 5/0 right now. I realize that after I have more games under my belt this might not be the case and at that point, blitz may provide me with more benefit than I think it could as I sit here right now.

Warbringer33
Warbringer33
 
So the guy's literally just about 500 points higher than me. I'm obviously getting better. The last time I played blitz online, a month ago, I was playing much slower and sloppier. There's definitely a different mode that you're playing in during games this fast though as opposed to rapid. Intuition is exactly what it is. I can see why you guys start to develop some sick pattern recognition from this. Let me keep mixing these in with my longer games and see how it goes. The fact is that I'm excited to play OTB over the Thanksgiving holiday as my opponents in USCF rated games 6 months ago were in time trouble at points against me. I've gotten so much better and faster since then and I was clueless as to attacking chess compared to my still limited understanding of it now. I've studied it and practiced it a lot lately though.

 

Warbringer33

 Draw w /the black pieces:

 

adumbrate

I also liked this blitz game I played, where I outplayed a 2200.



LetTheW00kieeWin

For me, 10/0 is just about right for the quality/quantity ratio. I play 2 or 3 games each day, and spend about double the amount of time on post-game analysis. Sometimes tactics do suffer in the time crunch, but as long as I can spot it afterwards then the lesson is there. I'm no superstar but this method has brought me from ≈450 to 850 in the last 3 months. I also routinely check my opponent's profiles and some of them with 25,000+ games are the same rating as me, and they make terrible blunders that even I can see a mile off. So this tells me the study has to be there and just cranking out as many games as possible is no sure way to improve.

MagAlves

I've never played blitz simply because I still make many blunders and honestly I think it lack in a lot of things, but blitz can surely be more exigent as you're always much more pressured by time.

Warbringer33

Flagged with mate in 1. Ridiculous. This is why increment is so necessary in chess:

 

SmyslovFan

It's true, you would have won with an increment in that game. You also would have won with better time management. 

You both agreed to a specific time control at the start of the game. It is very strange to me that you are complaining about the time control of a game that you agreed to play. 

Part of EVERY game is time management. It doesn't matter if it's 1-minute bullet or 21-day per move correspondence, using the time you have efficiently is an important skill. 

Again, you both agreed in advance to play the game in a certain time control. 

Warbringer33
 
Even faster. I'll tell you one thing: This is certainly teaching me how to break down an enemy kingside fast. I have no doubt at this point that this will aid me in my long chess if used properly as a training tool. Blitz + ChessTempo should keep me improving tactically, quickly.

 

Warbringer33
SmyslovFan wrote:

It's true, you would have won with an increment in that game. You also would have won with better time management. 

You both agreed to a specific time control at the start of the game. It is very strange to me that you are complaining about the time control of a game that you agreed to play. 

Part of EVERY game is time management. It doesn't matter if it's 1-minute bullet or 21-day per move correspondence, using the time you have efficiently is an important skill. 

Again, you both agreed in advance to play the game in a certain time control. 

 

It's a pairing pool. Believe me, I think it's ridiculous that they don't have a 2 second increment in that at this point. It turns the game into a matter of who can move faster without being checkmated a lot of the time. It's outdated chess. The point is that I have no control over the time. If I want to play in the pairing pools, I have to deal with the time controls ICC sets.

Anyway, as you see, I managed the clock better in the next one.

SmyslovFan

Sooner or later, you'll actually start to appreciate the 3-0 pool there. I believe that's the very best collection of chess players anywhere on the internet. There's a reason top players rarely play with increments online.

Warbringer33
SmyslovFan wrote:

Sooner or later, you'll actually start to appreciate the 3-0 pool there. I believe that's the very best collection of chess players anywhere on the internet. There's a reason top players rarely play with increments online.

 

Why do you think I'm playing in it? I know that's where the best players are. Some of the time losses are frustrating now and then but I know that it's improving my 3/2 and long game by having to get used to a sudden death blitz game. As said, this is definitely helping me out tactically in a huge way. I'm running a few blitz, then hitting ChessTempo and my blitz rating there is shooting up again.

SmyslovFan

Cool!

Good luck and have fun in your games!

Warbringer33

I had to take a couple of days off due to chaos surrounding me in life but I got back at it last night and this morning with tactics and some blitz. Here's a 55 move 3/2 blitz game where my average centipawn loss was 7. Just played this a few minutes ago: 



Warbringer33

This one was a fun one for obvious reasons. It really went back and forth and then I had to block mate with my queen and give it up. It wound up being both of my rooks vs a queen and a bishop.

 



Supastan

Warbringer33, why show us those games? Is it because you won and you're trying to show off? There's absolutely nothing special about them.

Warbringer33
Supastan wrote:

Warbringer33, why show us those games? Is it because you won and you're trying to show off? There's absolutely nothing special about them.

Nice comments you have on your wall there, buddy. Great stats, too. Instead of worrying about why stronger players are posting games, why don't you learn how to at least play the game at a ~1200 level? You wouldn't be able to see anything special on the board anyway so I'm not quite sure how you're in a position to judge whether or not the game was special. It was special to me. Special like a little fuzzy kitten, k?

I'm posting them so some of the players who have pm'd me from this thread, and others who were maybe trepidatious about playing blitz, can see the result of my foray into it. What do you care? Does it bother you that I'm posting them?

edit: I also think that a game where someone with my level of experience puts up an average centipawn loss of 7 over 55 moves is relatively special to their progress. That's basically a perfect game over 55 moves in 3/2 blitz, you do realize that, right? No, is it anything anyone in the chess world will care about? Of course not. Neither has any game you've ever played been. Is it something I should be able to post on the forums? Sure. Why not?

SmyslovFan

The average centipawn loss is irrelevant.

In the first game you were up two rooks by move 22. But then took 33 more moves to win. Work on improving your efficiency when you have a material advantage.

When analyzing your games, don't use an engine, ask yourself what were the key moments and how you could have improved.

Work on improving your analysis and evaluation skills, not your average centipawn loss rate.

SmyslovFan

You will never see a GM discuss his average centipawn loss rate. Focus on your own evaluations.