1.e4 is drawish?

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greenibex

The French Defense chess opening is good for surprise value.  The main reason why chess GMs do not use it regularly because black gets a passive middlegame.

Also i would not trust a chess opening having anything  to do with France. Everyone knows that chess is a military game.  Looking back at history, the French military was really passive

 For example, in World war One, France was conquered by their neighbor Germany.   Did they learn their lesson?  Of course not.  A couple years later France was conquered again in World War 2.  Who took them over? Not other then the same country Germany.  It was up to the Amencans to save their French croissants from the Germans.   

Against 1. e4, I would suggest playing a more sophisticated chess opening that is American made.  It won't let you down like the French.  Maybe something like the Marshall Attack variation of the Ruy lopez.  It has been shown to equalize easily.  Magnus just played it against Karjackin.  

There are a lot of things that France has "stolen" but claimed to be their own.  Such as the Mona Lisa, the French bulldog, French toast, French horn, French letters, French Fries, French press, French dressing, French manicure, French braid, etc. 

I would not be surprised if France "stole" this chess opening as well when in fact, it really had a "Made in Taiwan" label and some French dude ripped it off.

Here is an oxymoron: French Army

mcris

You are either confusing France for Belgium or WW1 with WW2. French even helped Romania to get rid of Germany in WW1. Who's a moron now? Laughing

Ziryab
greenibex wrote:

 

I would not be surprised if France "stole" this chess opening as well when in fact, it really had a "Made in Taiwan" label and some French dude ripped it off.

 

 

The name comes from 1...e6 having been played by Paris against London and winning the game. Sometime in the 1830s, as I recall, after the telegraph cable was laid across the English Channel. It had been played before, but not well.

LouStule

The Pepperoni Pizza attack is flawless in this instance 

wasderd
With perfect play from both sides, e4 and d4 WILL result in a draw
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wasderd wrote:
With perfect play from both sides, e4 and d4 WILL result in a draw

Practical chances =/= 32EGTB eval.

khushichoudki2005

for that you have to learn each and every variation

Musikamole

World Chess Championship 2016

Yet another 1.e4 game ending in a draw. In game 6, another Ruy Lopez, Karjakin returned the pawn and after further simplifications the game ended in a draw after 32 moves.

Five of the first six games started with 1.e4, match tied at 3-3. I realize that it's common for the first several games in a world chess championship to end in draws. For whatever reason, 1.e4 has been the preferred first move. It will be interesting to see how the last six games start. Maybe the tricky stuff will come with 1.d4 and we will see a win. Who knows?

Musikamole
Ziryab wrote:
greenibex wrote:  I would not be surprised if France "stole" this chess opening as well when in fact, it really had a "Made in Taiwan" label and some French dude ripped it off.

 

 

The name comes from 1...e6 having been played by Paris against London and winning the game. Sometime in the 1830s, as I recall, after the telegraph cable was laid across the English Channel. It had been played before, but not well.

The Paris Chess Club won.


This must have been a real head scratcher when 1...e6 came in the mail! I wonder what the English thought - mistake, a beginner move?  Youtube author Kingscrusher offers analysis.
https://youtu.be/u1Mn-SBIE2M

Musikamole

Returning to: 1.e4 is drawish? Maybe 1.e4 e5 is even more drawish at top level play. Think of what can follow: Italian, Ruy Lopez, Petroff. No super sharp Sicilian.

Commentators say that Carlsen is the favorite, that he can outplay Karjakin, especially in the endgame. Why is Carlsen following 1.e4 with 1...e5? It seems clear that Karjakin is comfortable with the Ruy Lopez, and is very good at shutting down games when Carlsen presses, resulting in draws.  

Does Carlsen not like the Sicilian?

Musikamole

Karjakin vs. Carlsen - Game 7

We have a Slav Defense! (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6) Something different from the Ruy Lopez/Italian lines. Maybe the first win today.

Elroch

If you can play at 2800 level, chess is drawish. If you are 1000 points weaker, less so. happy.png

Musikamole

Elroch wrote:

If you can play at 2800 level, chess is drawish. If you are 1000 points weaker, less so. 

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Excellent point. I just finished watching game 7. After the game, when the commentators were talking about seven consecutive draws, Judit Polgar said that computers have made the top players (2700+) better defenders. She said that it is harder to win with the White pieces than the time before chess engines. Polgar did not want to use computers, having the machines tell her how to play, but around 2002 she started using them to stay competitive and discovered how resourceful they are with defense.

mcris

Does she imply one of the players is consulting a computer?

Musikamole

mcris wrote:

Does she imply one of the players is consulting a computer?

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No, she did not imply either player consulting a computer during the game. She was simply making the point that computer chess engines over the years have made players better defenders.

mcris

I don't see how, there are too many positions in which to remember the computer defense.

Elroch

One point about computer defence is that it's fair to say that against a computer an attack has to be sound, while against a person it just has to create enough problems for them to go wrong.

The other is that if you play against computers, you learn to eliminate chances for the opponent, which is drawish in the way that Petrosian was in the era before computers.

Musikamole

mcris wrote:

I don't see how, there are too many positions in which to remember the computer defense.

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It's not about memorizing all of the lines a computer creates. It's about gaining new defensive ideas that can be used in several positions. Computers play different than humans, and that was another thing Polgar mentioned. So, playing against a computer forces humans to develop more ways to defend, while exercising the ability to play with greater accuracy and precision.

I've played against several different chess programs, finding one thing in common. When playing at a setting where I have good winning chances, I find many chess programs getting better at the end, increasing drawing chances. I don't really know why this is, but it can get quite frustrating.

Musikamole

Elroch wrote:

One point about computer defence is that it's fair to say that against a computer an attack has to be sound, while against a person it just has to create enough problems for them to go wrong.

The other is that if you play against computers, you learn to eliminate chances for the opponent, which is drawish in the way that Petrosian was in the era before computers.

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I was struggling with explaining this, and in fewer words you said it all. Thanks.

greenibex

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