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6 masters who proved that chess kills your brain and your life - YOU ARE WARNED
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nimzomalaysian wrote:
recklass wrote:
The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.
I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.
Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.
alex-rodriguez wrote:
Except for dropping dead at age 53 I would say Jose Casablanca was totally successful and very sane.
Chess is the best brain exercise ever invented. I'm addicted to chess and that's a good thing.
Addiction is never good, even when its chess.
ILoveJingWen wrote:
"i'm not crazy, my mother had me tested". I love this Sheldon quotation!
nimzomalaysian wrote:
pranavswami wrote:
Those are only 6 chessplayers. Think about all the other thousands that had a good career and life? All sports have players that have been killed by things like this. Your point is clearly not backed with enough evidence. Think about it are any people in the top 10 today like that?
If you look closely, you'll find hundreds of cases where a chess master's life has ended in tradegy, I've only considered the 6 most famous players who were all world champions.
The top 10 of today are all very young, still in their 20s. It takes time for chess to deteriorate a person's mental health by modifying the neural paths. Magnus has already started to show some signs, look at his interviews, he struggles to make complete sentences when he speaks. It's just a matter of time before he turns into the next Fisher. Kramnik is a chain smoker, he was also involved in the toiletgate scandal where it was alleged that he used a computer in the toilet.
I really hope that Magnus will always continue to be ok in his mind condition and will continue to have a brilliant chess career. When I started to learn chess, Fischer was at his best. Unfortunately, he had his mind issues, . I really like chess, and I really do not believe that it would be harmful for one's mind.
Prove the correlation. Otherwise your post is pointless.
Sep 26, 2016
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Canada1st wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
recklass wrote:
The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.
I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.
Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.
Sir, please read the entire thread, yes around 6 pages of it before saying that I had no rational response.
Sep 26, 2016
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#109
the_johnjohn wrote:
Prove the correlation. Otherwise your post is pointless.
That would take a lot of time, but I might prove it mathematically sometime when I'm free.
Sep 26, 2016
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2. Willhelm Steinitz - This was the first official world champion but he died in an insane asylum, broken and flea infested. Chess manipulated his brain and destroyed his emotional quotient. He was eventually left to the dogs.
Nope. Steinitz suffered a stroke (brain haemorrhage) which left him mentally incapacitated.
3. Jose Capablanca - This guy never did a day's work in his life. Everything came to him easy in life. He was such a genious at chess that he did no training, he read no book. All this developed in him the biggest egos the chess world has ever seen. All he did was eat gourmet meals, flirt with the best looking ladies and play poker smoking home made cigar. Eventually he died when he was analyzing a game in a chess club in New York when an artery in his brain burst due to high blood pressure. He was wearing a $1500 suit when this happened.
Capablanca suffered with serious hypertension. This and the world crisis prevented him from serious comeback.
4. Alexander Alekhine - This guy spent 12 hours a day playing and analyzing chess for over 40 years. After beating Capablanca in the world championship match, he took his life for granted and became a drunkard, he used to arrive for a game stinking of alchohol. Once, he even peed in his pants during a game because he was too drunk to stumble to the toilet. He was assasinated in Portugal, his dead body was found hunched over a chess board.
Alekhine recovered himself from alcohol abuse after losing his match to Euwe and never fell into it again. His drunkard period may have been caused by the overall world crisis, which took away his savings and suppressed chess life during his peak. The cause of his death remains uncertain. Allegedly a piece of food was found lodged in his trachea.
5. Mikhail Tal - He was a genius over the board at spotting tactical combinations, his games are shocking. But, he was also a chain smoker and a drug addict, he executed masterpieces over the board under the influence of narcotics, he saw his own things on the board. He died prematurely at the age of 50, he looked like an 80 year old man. He died of kidney failure due to his lifetime indulgence in vodka, drugs and ciggarates.
Tal suffered with poor health the whole second half of his life. He was prescribed narcotics to ease kidney pain, he didn't abuse them. Btw, have you ever suffered with renal colic? I did, once, for about 2 hours, I felt like dying, unable to walk, only lay and scream, covered with cold sweat. After many operations, Tal's kidney problems eased a bit, but other problems came, e.g. stomach vessel perforation, hepatitis C and chronic sepsis. He used alcohol to get a bit of sleep. So aside from chain smoking (pretty common among chess players back then) Tal didn't abuse substances and his mind was pretty normal.
This leaves us with Morphy and Fischer as examples, and even here, their mental problems seem exaggerated a lot.
Morphy retired from chess after pressure from his family, esp. his mother. He became a lawyer and remained sane for many years. His later life is poorly documented and allegations about his insanity are a mere hearsay.
Fischer suffered with classic burn-out followed by religious brainwash from the Worldwide Church of God cult. Moreover, later he faced real prosecution in the US after his 1992 rematch. I suspect there were real efforts to catch him and extradite him to the US, so his paranoia had true roots.
Topics like this could kill your brain.
If I named 6 people that smoked their entire lives and didn't die from lung cancer, would that prove that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? I think not.
6 people is too small a sample to prove anything.
Sep 26, 2016
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Gamificast wrote:
Topics like this could kill your brain.
If I named 6 people that smoked their entire lives and didn't die from lung cancer, would that prove that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? I think not.
6 people is too small a sample to prove anything.
That's a pretty weak argument. 6 people among a hundred thousand smokers is certainly a very small number but, 6 people among 13 world champions is a very huge number.
Nice trolling.
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Like writing stupid posts?
There was an article written in 2014 which supports my very theory, lots of chess can shrink your brain - Beware, playing lots of chess can shrink your brain!
Beware, your brain might be on the shrink right now. So, don't spend too much time on chess, pick up a new hobby.
Sep 26, 2016
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the_johnjohn wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
There was an article written in 2014 which supports my very theory, lots of chess can shrink your brain - Beware, playing lots of chess can shrink your brain!
Beware, your brain might be on the shrink right now. So, don't spend too much time on chess, pick up a new hobby.
Like writing stupid posts?
Why so defensive? If you don't agree with something I say then counter it by stating your argument instead of calling people stupid or troll. I hope we're all a little more matured than some kid in some high school.
Everyone in the forums who uses "facts" without insults needs to realize that the Trump method of debating is quite effective also... Can't wait for tonight's debate!
Sep 26, 2016
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#117
I think I have already made my point. Feel free to quote me again so I can write another essay.
nimzomalaysian wrote:
you can find this sort of thing in "any" walk of life.
not just chess!this is the human condition all of us face without Jesus.
1. Paul Morphy - Regarded as the first unofficial world champion, within 2 years of playing international chess, he went nuts. Chess rearranged his neurons and he was never the same again. He spent the last 10 years of his life wandering aimlessy talking to himself. He died a beggar.
2. Willhelm Steinitz - This was the first official world champion but he died in an insane asylum, broken and flea infested. Chess manipulated his brain and destroyed his emotional quotient. He was eventually left to the dogs.
3. Jose Capablanca - This guy never did a day's work in his life. Everything came to him easy in life. He was such a genious at chess that he did no training, he read no book. All this developed in him the biggest egos the chess world has ever seen. All he did was eat gourmet meals, flirt with the best looking ladies and play poker smoking home made cigar. Eventually he died when he was analyzing a game in a chess club in New York when an artery in his brain burst due to high blood pressure. He was wearing a $1500 suit when this happened.
4. Alexander Alekhine - This guy spent 12 hours a day playing and analyzing chess for over 40 years. After beating Capablanca in the world championship match, he took his life for granted and became a drunkard, he used to arrive for a game stinking of alchohol. Once, he even peed in his pants during a game because he was too drunk to stumble to the toilet. He was assasinated in Portugal, his dead body was found hunched over a chess board.
5. Mikhail Tal - He was a genius over the board at spotting tactical combinations, his games are shocking. But, he was also a chain smoker and a drug addict, he executed masterpieces over the board under the influence of narcotics, he saw his own things on the board. He died prematurely at the age of 50, he looked like an 80 year old man. He died of kidney failure due to his lifetime indulgence in vodka, drugs and ciggarates.
6. Bobby Fisher - This person needs no introduction, he was arguably the greatest player of his time. But for the last 30 years of his life, he was the chess world's mad uncle, an embarrassment that cannot be expressed in words. He eventually died of kidney failure, he refused all his medicines.
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So, a question to all those who want to take chess seriously -
Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? Go to college, get a degree, get a job, live your life.
Sep 27, 2016
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#119
Well, we all have an account in this website so I guess it is too late for us.
Sep 27, 2016
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#120
nimzomalaysian wrote:
1. Paul Morphy - Regarded as the first unofficial world champion, within 2 years of playing international chess, he went nuts. Chess rearranged his neurons and he was never the same again. He spent the last 10 years of his life wandering aimlessy talking to himself. He died a beggar.
2. Willhelm Steinitz - This was the first official world champion but he died in an insane asylum, broken and flea infested. Chess manipulated his brain and destroyed his emotional quotient. He was eventually left to the dogs.
3. Jose Capablanca - This guy never did a day's work in his life. Everything came to him easy in life. He was such a genious at chess that he did no training, he read no book. All this developed in him the biggest egos the chess world has ever seen. All he did was eat gourmet meals, flirt with the best looking ladies and play poker smoking home made cigar. Eventually he died when he was analyzing a game in a chess club in New York when an artery in his brain burst due to high blood pressure. He was wearing a $1500 suit when this happened.
4. Alexander Alekhine - This guy spent 12 hours a day playing and analyzing chess for over 40 years. After beating Capablanca in the world championship match, he took his life for granted and became a drunkard, he used to arrive for a game stinking of alchohol. Once, he even peed in his pants during a game because he was too drunk to stumble to the toilet. He was assasinated in Portugal, his dead body was found hunched over a chess board.
5. Mikhail Tal - He was a genius over the board at spotting tactical combinations, his games are shocking. But, he was also a chain smoker and a drug addict, he executed masterpieces over the board under the influence of narcotics, he saw his own things on the board. He died prematurely at the age of 50, he looked like an 80 year old man. He died of kidney failure due to his lifetime indulgence in vodka, drugs and ciggarates.
6. Bobby Fisher - This person needs no introduction, he was arguably the greatest player of his time. But for the last 30 years of his life, he was the chess world's mad uncle, an embarrassment that cannot be expressed in words. He eventually died of kidney failure, he refused all his medicines.
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So, a question to all those who want to take chess seriously -
Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? Go to college, get a degree, get a job, live your life.
If I may say so,
None of the stories/incident does not have any way related to chess..This happens/happned to many people (regardless sports or any celebrities). Even this happens to common people. One thing i have noticed here is all were addicted to certain bad habbits. Why cant we talk about the rest of the GM's? (when that counts majority?)
You forgot GM Lembit Oll.
Yeah, but he wasn't a world champion or even in the top 10.
Anyway, GM Lembit Oll became so depressed with his life that he committed suicide by jumping out of the 5th floor of his apartment. [Probably not because of chess.]
Because he got a divorce...that's why you never get married kiddos.
he he he!