Am I too Positional?

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

Garry Kasparov was a tactical mastermind. Quite possibly the 12th greatest player to ever live. And of course, a World Champion. One of the greatest champions of our sport. 

However, his understanding of positional chess leaves little to be desired. He was a pure tactician. 

Anatoly Karpov, the greatest player to ever live, on the other hand was purely positional. 

The latter is who I modeled my game after. In my early days, this style of play brought be great success. I should mention that my blitz rating at one time was a barely believable 1293. 

Lately however, my rating has taken a steep decline. And I started to think, maybe I have become too positional. 

Should I be more focused on tactics rather than spending endless hours on study of Chess games of masters old? 

I'm not so sure if this post is really meant serious but okay, I'll go into it. Like others already said, with a rating of nearly 1300 you shouldn't put yourself in one specific category. I mean, you may understand something about positional play and tactics but there are so many secrets you still have to explore that you cannot call yourself a positional chess player. At your and also my rating, knowing tactics is much worse cause you're able to decide a match and play in a prophylactic manner to avoid threats against you. Keep working on tactics and maybe later your positional knowledge will become a bonus.

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Optimissed wrote:

Yes, what impresses me most about Daybreak is his empathy and willingness to make such sacrifices in his eagerness to help others.

 

 

No suprises there, his bad manners mean he does not respect others, which of course means he does not respect himself, therefore he wastes his own time.

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Another positional masterpiece. 

 

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A perfect example of how tactics flow from a superior position. Black makes no obvious mistakes but first ends up with a miserable position which then leads to the loss of the queen, effectively ending the game. Any attempt to come back is futile.

 

By the way Vlad, do you want to guess who I am?

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ArgoNavis wrote:

A perfect example of how tactics flow from a superior position. Black makes no obvious mistakes but first ends up with a miserable position which then leads to the loss of the queen, effectively ending the game. Any attempt to come back is futile.

 

By the way Vlad, do you want to guess who I am?

There is no need to guess. I can see from your post that you are a true Chess intellectual with a clear understanding of positional chess and tactics. A boa constrictor in your own right. A gem of the forums, and one of the finest contributors to the Chess.com community. 

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The short answer is no

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I got brain cancer reading this whole thread... 

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Your positional play and related leadership style has put our chess club into the upper echelons of vote chess glory!  So I'd say you are not too positional at all, it's brilliant strategy!

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Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

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santiagomagno15 wrote:

Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

I would disagree. I think Bob Fish was scared of the great Karpov. I've discussed this before here. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/would-prime-karpov-have-beaten-kasparov

 

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mickynj wrote:

This is a troll thread. Don't make the mistake or responding honestly or in good faith

Yes, 

Anything you don't agree with is a "troll thread". 

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mickynj wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
mickynj wrote:

This is a troll thread. Don't make the mistake or responding honestly or in good faith

Yes, 

Anything you don't agree with is a "troll thread". 

There's nothing to agree or disagree with. You are a weak player, whose judgement about players infinitely better than you is completely worthless. 

That's one man's opinion. 

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
mickynj wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
mickynj wrote:

This is a troll thread. Don't make the mistake or responding honestly or in good faith

Yes, 

Anything you don't agree with is a "troll thread". 

There's nothing to agree or disagree with. You are a weak player, whose judgement about players infinitely better than you is completely worthless. 

That's one man's opinion. 

A 1284 rating (on chess.com no less) suggests otherwise

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RecursiveThread wrote:

Smositional Positional understanding is key.

This joke may have been made already.. don't know when though wink.png

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
santiagomagno15 wrote:

Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

I would disagree. I think Bob Fish was scared of the great Karpov. I've discussed this before here. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/would-prime-karpov-have-beaten-kasparov

 

 

I poo poo'd this idea earlier in that other thread, but you weren't the captain of our chess club back then, and I've had a change of heart which is not related to your position of authority.  Because I realize Fischer did have anxieties and phobias that both made him the player he was, and also unfortunately caused us fans to lose out on a lot of historic matches that never happened.

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VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
santiagomagno15 wrote:

Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

I would disagree. I think Bob Fish was scared of the great Karpov. I've discussed this before here. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/would-prime-karpov-have-beaten-kasparov

 

For been a world champion you need to defeat the one behind you, like Fischer to Spassky, Carlsen to Anand, Alekhine to Capablanca, there is one that wasnt able to do this, Karpov, you said Fischer was afraid of him? I think Karpov felt really nice when he knew that Fischer wasnt going to play, Karpov its a great player but most of the GMs agree that he wasnt going to beat Fischer,  Fischer beat a really positional player like Petrosian so he was familiar with that style, its funny but Capablanca was also a really solid player and he was defetead by Alekhine a really agressive player, Petrosian, considered one of the stongest was defeated by Fischer another agressive guy, and Karpov other positional player was beaten by Kasparov, and when he was only 22 years old, its obvious that you admire Karpov and thats the only reason you think is the best, how can I say this well even Magnus Carlsen, a World Champion, and the one who has archived the highest ELO says that the best chess players in history are Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov, and like him all the GMs thinks the same, so who is right all the GMs and the champion or you? but its ok if you still feel that Karpov is the best, is a great player after all

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santiagomagno15 wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
santiagomagno15 wrote:

Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

I would disagree. I think Bob Fish was scared of the great Karpov. I've discussed this before here. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/would-prime-karpov-have-beaten-kasparov

 

For been a world champion you need to defeat the one behind you, like Fischer to Spassky, Carlsen to Anand, Alekhine to Capablanca, there is one that wasnt able to do this, Karpov, you said Fischer was afraid of him? I think Karpov felt really nice when he knew that Fischer wasnt going to play, Karpov its a great player but most of the GMs agree that he wasnt going to beat Fischer,  Fischer beat a really positional player like Petrosian so he was familiar with that style, its funny but Capablanca was also a really solid player and he was defetead by Alekhine a really agressive player, Petrosian, considered one of the stongest was defeated by Fischer another agressive guy, and Karpov other positional player was beaten by Kasparov, and when he was only 22 years old, its obvious that you admire Karpov and thats the only reason you think is the best, how can I say this well even Magnus Carlsen, a World Champion, and the one who has archived the highest ELO says that the best chess players in history are Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov, and like him all the GMs thinks the same, so who is right all the GMs and the champion or you? but its ok if you still feel that Karpov is the best, is a great player after all

I appreciate the comment. However, I must say. I am sick and tired of people making excuses for Fischer and assumptions stating that he would have defeated Karpov. Karpov was ready to play FIsher and made no excuses while Fischer backed down. 

Petrosian is not anywhere near the level of Karpov, t's an unfair comparision. 

How can you celebrate a man who runs from his competition? Simple, Fischer was concerned about his legacy. He knew there was a possibility of losing to Karpov and decided to veer away from it. 

Karpov almost beat Kasparov for Caissa's sake! Imagine what he would have done to Fischer! 

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What about Keres?

 

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VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
santiagomagno15 wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
santiagomagno15 wrote:

Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer were the best chess players in history, you said that Karpov is better only because you like that style, but most of the GM agree that if Karpov faced Fischer for the world champion tittle Fischer would have won that, Karpov is a great player, but not like those titans, even Carlsen said that the greatest chess players are Bobby Fischer and Kasparov, many GM thinks the same, and after seen a lot of the games from them I think the same, in your case play somethink open, is the best to learn how to attack and develop fast, try the kings gambit, was one of my favorites when I was your level, and it teach me a lot of how to attack and the importance of a quick development

I would disagree. I think Bob Fish was scared of the great Karpov. I've discussed this before here. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/would-prime-karpov-have-beaten-kasparov

 

For been a world champion you need to defeat the one behind you, like Fischer to Spassky, Carlsen to Anand, Alekhine to Capablanca, there is one that wasnt able to do this, Karpov, you said Fischer was afraid of him? I think Karpov felt really nice when he knew that Fischer wasnt going to play, Karpov its a great player but most of the GMs agree that he wasnt going to beat Fischer,  Fischer beat a really positional player like Petrosian so he was familiar with that style, its funny but Capablanca was also a really solid player and he was defetead by Alekhine a really agressive player, Petrosian, considered one of the stongest was defeated by Fischer another agressive guy, and Karpov other positional player was beaten by Kasparov, and when he was only 22 years old, its obvious that you admire Karpov and thats the only reason you think is the best, how can I say this well even Magnus Carlsen, a World Champion, and the one who has archived the highest ELO says that the best chess players in history are Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov, and like him all the GMs thinks the same, so who is right all the GMs and the champion or you? but its ok if you still feel that Karpov is the best, is a great player after all

I appreciate the comment. However, I must say. I am sick and tired of people making excuses for Fischer and assumptions stating that he would have defeated Karpov. Karpov was ready to play FIsher and made no excuses while Fischer backed down. 

Petrosian is not anywhere near the level of Karpov, t's an unfair comparision. 

How can you celebrate a man who runs from his competition? Simple, Fischer was concerned about his legacy. He knew there was a possibility of losing to Karpov and decided to veer away from it. 

Karpov almost beat Kasparov for Caissa's sake! Imagine what he would have done to Fischer! 

 

Fischer wasnt concerned about his legacy, he had some problems, and even knowing that he was going to crush Spassky he many times said that he wasnt going to play against him, not fear, just some problems, Karpov almost beat Kasparov is good as nothing, if you cant win thats it, you lose, doesnt matter if its for 0.5 points, its still a lose, I have been really close to beat IMs but if I cant its the same, and when you said imagine what he would have done to Fischer well I imagine a Fischer winning by a close match, and not only my, again, all the GMs in the world including Carlsen imagine the same, you need more level to see this, maybe when you are a 1600 and you had seen a lot of games from Fischer and Kasparov you will see that indeed they were better than Karpov, but if you have only seen games from Karpov, well, its obvious that you consider a great player, it is, but not like them 

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Disposer_Of_Trash69 wrote:

Pretty sure if I challenged Fischer or Karpov today, I'd win by default. Checkmate, fanboys.

What?

Is this an actual sentence I read?