America's Civil War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manassas,_Virginia

or you can go to the Civil War Trust - the official site for the preservation of Civil War battlefields:
http://www.civilwar.org/hallowed-ground-magazine/spring-2011/an-end-to-innocence.html

"Battle of First Manassas" is their preference.

You can actually once this happen on Chess TV just about every monday! 

batgirl wrote:

or you can go to the Civil War Trust - the official site for the preservation of Civil War battlefields:http://www.civilwar.org/hallowed-ground-magazine/spring-2011/an-end-to-innocence.html

"Battle of First Manassas" is their preference.

The title is "An End to Innocence" and the subtitle is THE FIRST BATTLE OF MANASSAS in the link you provide...

It just about was Kay , if you would care to read the book " The Education of Henry Adams" by Henry Adams , it was very close.

National Battlefield Park in Manassas (which I've been to, and is really nice) refers to it on their website's main page as the First Battle of Manassas.

But then you click, and the title says Battle of First Manassas.

I think it's pretty clear that neither term is invalid as they're treated interchangeably.

Upbringing issues ...

FrederickClegg wrote:

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Durn, you're right!

That's my opinion.
Everyone I know calls it First Manassas and Second Manassas and the battles, "the battle of ...."  - but a lot of places seem to call it "the first  or second battle of Manassas" or Bull run, of course.

Thanks.

The 2004 reprint of the 1961 book on the Manassas battleground put out by the Nat'l Battlefield Park in Manassas:

I hear the latter more often myself, and that's how I typically refer to it, but I've definitely heard both. Also, I like saying Bull Run instead of Manassas, since Bull Run is much closer to the location of the battlefield. It's neat comparing the map of the battle to the modern day map. Warrenton Turnpike is now Lee Highway.

Congrats as well on the newfound expert status!

There's definitley no agreement and either way seems not only acceptable but are used interchangeably.

Believe me, I'm no expert on anything.

1990

Expert is so vaguely-defined that I say it counts.

I don't watch chess tv.  Who plays odds?

Possibly Frances Parkinson Keyes' "The Chess Players" or Steve Vaughan's "Paul Moprhy: Confederate Spy."

Danny has a regular show where he plays odds against the Komodo and Stockfish. Here is an example: https://www.chess.com/video/player/man-vs-machine-04-11-16

But we also did a high profile series with elite players playing matches against Komodo at odds. Among them was none other than Nakamura! Here is a link to game 1:  https://www.chess.com/video/player/man-vs-machine-nakamura-vs-komodo-game-1-1-6-16

There is also a show that IM Aman Hambleton has most Mondays where he plays against chess.com members giving odds. Example here: https://www.chess.com/video/player/material-odds-challenge-03-17-16

Needless to say that playing chess at odds is still very much alive at least on Chess.com

  http://www.bkhouse.org/morphy

Thanks, JD.  I didn't know that!  It sounds like fun.