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Derekjj
MSC157 wrote:
r_k_ting wrote:
peranto wrote:

Disappointed? Not me, if anything I might blame the match format.

You want them to risk a loss in game 1 of such a short match?

Match format is not to blame. Carlsen's strategy is to blame.

The matches have been 12 games for the last 6 championships (since 2000). Never has there been such a short draw.

Actually there were shorter draws. Just remember Braingames, or Kramnik-Leko... Even shorter!

Let's take a look at some recent statistics of WCC:

YEAR (TG (PG) - TW)
TG - Total games, PG - played games, TW - Total wins


1972 (24 (21) - 10)
1990 (24 -
7)
1995 (24 (20) - 5)
2000 (16 (15) - 2)
2004 (14 - 3)
2006 (12 + playoffs - 6+3)
2008 (12 (11) - 4)
2012 (12 + playoffs - 2+1)

So, it depends on players, but of course also on match format

Sure they can't do that in a game of chess960. Maybe the moves were prearranged? I was hoping for a chess match.

royalbishop
MSC157 wrote:
r_k_ting wrote:
peranto wrote:

Disappointed? Not me, if anything I might blame the match format.

You want them to risk a loss in game 1 of such a short match?

Match format is not to blame. Carlsen's strategy is to blame.

The matches have been 12 games for the last 6 championships (since 2000). Never has there been such a short draw.

Actually there were shorter draws. Just remember Braingames, or Kramnik-Leko... Even shorter!

Let's take a look at some recent statistics of WCC:

YEAR (TG (PG) - TW)
TG - Total games, PG - played games, TW - Total wins


1972 (24 (21) - 10)
1990 (24 -
7)
1995 (24 (20) - 5)
2000 (16 (15) - 2)
2004 (14 - 3)
2006 (12 + playoffs - 6+3)
2008 (12 (11) - 4)
2012 (12 + playoffs - 2+1)

So, it depends on players, but of course also on match format

I think the format should have better flow.

Play 1 day rest 1 day and repeat that till the end.With this format if you have some momentum and your opponent is confused they can change things and it swings the other way.

With the format i posted the games will be more competitive cause both side will make adjustments and counter adjustments from game to game. Might even reduce the possible draws by 50%.

Why they had a draw so short? Anand must have been prepared to drawing lines rather than lose games. Carlsen must have seen this and beleived it was not worth the time to continue it. I bet the next couple of games will not end in a draw. By the 3rd or 4th game it will start to get interesting. But then Carlsen does not like to slow walk his opponents into sleep.

niceforkinmove
macer75 wrote:

If you're disappointed every time a chess game you watch ends in a draw, then you need to stop watching chess now, or you're gonna go into depression very quickly.

This.  If you can't stand a draw find another game to follow.  As chess computers get better and better there are more and more draws in their games.  The same is true of top level players.

 

To those who want to bemoan matches, I can only point out that website after website went down due to traffic.  That simply does not happen in any tournament.  

 

Matches have a significance well beyond gaining or losing rating points.  That is why the players will do all they can to win the match.   

r_k_ting
MSC157 wrote:

Actually there were shorter draws. Just remember Braingames, or Kramnik-Leko... Even shorter!

You're right. Kasparov-Kramnik had an 11 move draw, and that was Kasparov playing white when he was one game down. So my original point still stands. It's entirely due to Carlsens bad strategy.

PUTRA_BORNEO77

nice

SmyslovFan

It was down to: Carlsen's opening not holding up to close scrutiny and Anand's preparation scoring well. 

Carlsen hit the emergency brake by allowing the repetition rather than go into an inferior game. Anand couldn't find a reason to continue without taking risks, and accepted the repetition. 

Carlsen's error wasn't fatal and he was proven correct in bailing out for the early draw. Anand showed that Carlsen will have to come up with something better if he wants to win as white. Perhaps Carlsen's main weapon will be 1.e4, and this was just a feint? Or, perhaps Carlsen has several different openings plannedand will try to present a moving target.

I'm betting that tomorrow will see another left-handed serve. I don't know if Anand will play 1.d4, but I rather expect the game will go into a QID/Nimzo-Indian sort of a game.

Somebodysson
SmyslovFan wrote: I rather expect the game will go into a QID/Nimzo-Indian sort of a game.

bring it on.

vil64

I can't believe how many people start writting off Carlsen, just because he drew with white on a first game. Give me a break. He has a very steady performance and is not up & down like some other players. It could be few nerves he had to shake off. I think we are here for a thrill.

Useless_Eustace

weer jus gittin stardid heer. so git cozy - its agonna be a barnberner.

vil64

Btw, does anyone know what were strong chess engines suggesting in that final position? What I mean, was there actually a viable move in the existence?

vil64
ManMountainMike wrote:

weer jus gittin stardid heer. so git cozy - its agonna be a barnberner.

You mean bum-burner? I've got sore arse already and that's only game 1Cool

royalbishop
vil64 wrote:

I can't believe how many people start writting off Carlsen, just because he drew with white on a first game. Give me a break. He has a very steady performance and is not up & down like some other players. It could be few nerves he had to shake off. I think we are here for a thrill.

I am here.

This is Anand start of his going away party. He better remember it. lol Aging Anand ..... he is getting another day older and for him he closer to reality. For us joy!

I saw Anand likes to draw on black..... just shows his age in my book. Lacking the agressiveness. Sounds different from i used to hear he was good on black. He going down as Carlsen has to know his weak strategy. Cowards die a thousand deaths but a hero just one.

This is why i am not into sportsmanship when playing tournaments. If my opponent wants to draw players to death i will not shake his hand at all. Cowardice can not be rewarded when playing. If anybody even mentions he was dominating  well let his draw record say nay.

Carlsen will win but he needs to do it in a dominating way to end all these Anand talk. Gotta beat this guy by more than 1 point so they can not say if Anand did not make this or that mistake he would have been champion. Carlsen needs to beat him by a large margain to away any future talks if they have a rematch Anand would win. Carlsen needs to here from the chess community:  Usher in the "Carlsen Era".

vil64

Yeah, I love Carlsen's playing style, he is young and very talented but you still have to respect Anand no matter how you look at it. Yes, he is older and his rating might not speak loud enough but don't forget he is now playing in his home turf, which means he doesn't want to disappoint his followers and winning in his home country would mean extra special for him. Having said that, I'd say he prepared very well for this contest. Besides, WC is a different ball game altogether.  

Overlooseness

Anand was playing well. Game was forcefully draw.

royalbishop

Yeah play time is over Carlsen.

Let him know who is his daddy.

Carlsen make him say it loud! Make Anand say it real loud.

AnastasiaStyles
vil64 wrote:

Btw, does anyone know what were strong chess engines suggesting in that final position? What I mean, was there actually a viable move in the existence?

It was a draw by repetition, and computers would draw it too. The FIDE website's analysis window broke while I was watching, so I had HIARCS running alongside. For a while at the end there it wanted to play ...b5, which Anand also considered, but eventually shifted to 0.00 and playing the repetition. From what I've seen of other people posting analyses by other computers, it seems that way also.

Relevant is that someone mentioned to Anand after the game that computer showed a slight advantage to Black as he went into the repetition sequence. He replied that "Well, yes, computer will evaluate it at slightly advantageous to Black because I had a piece slightly further advanced - doesn't mean I actually had anything tangible"

At the end of the day, a computer's strength is that it can calculate so deeply (and in openings, use a book well these days, and in endgames, convert to tablebase and play from there). A computer's actual positional evaluations are still based on fairly simple algorithms, and are perhaps the one area where top players can still do better.

ivandh
vil64 a écrit :

I can't believe how many people start writting off Carlsen, just because he drew with white on a first game. Give me a break. He has a very steady performance and is not up & down like some other players. It could be few nerves he had to shake off. I think we are here for a thrill.

It's more fun to jump to baseless conclusions.

royalbishop

Do they have bridges in Anand's country.

Going to have some cops and volunteers patrol them.

"Don't Jump" it was only a game!

Lou-for-you

I find a lot of the language here very disappointing coming from chess lovers. We are talking about the two best players in the world and people here choose a side and talk rubbish about the other side. Both of them would nail you to the wall in a game of chess. Both have extraordinary memory and brainpower. In any sport, people respect the two greatest players of the moment. Even when they are in a game against each other. Both deserve a win.

sideart314
rbag2007 wrote:

All chess lovers are disappointed!!!!!!!!!

yeah