Any grandmasters who started late?

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David_Mary wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

also a recent chess.com article reviewed a person with no sight achieving the title, just beautiful

 

Amazing!  Link?

https://www.chess.com/news/view/visually-impaired-daniel-pulvett-grandmaster-norm

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31 year old visually impaired Daniel Pulvett

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llama36 skrev:

Yeah that's the guy I was talking about.

If, for example, he was playing xiangqi from a young age, then learned international chess at 17, that doesn't really count now does it.

Ehum, I know nothing about mandarin, cantonese or any other language used in China but this wiki version: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8F%B6%E6%B1%9F%E5%B7%9D does have a link to what appears to be xiangqi and year 1974. If that means he started playing in a club or learned for the first time, I have no idea.

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chinese players are really good and admirable, its pretty cool seeing how he got it after 18

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oh looking at old articles i found member link people like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Aagaard

maybe a good example?

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Dmfed wrote:
llama36 skrev:

Yeah that's the guy I was talking about.

If, for example, he was playing xiangqi from a young age, then learned international chess at 17, that doesn't really count now does it.

Ehum, I know nothing about mandarin, cantonese or any other language used in China but this wiki version: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8F%B6%E6%B1%9F%E5%B7%9D does have a link to what appears to be xiangqi and year 1974. If that means he started playing in a club or learned for the first time, I have no idea.

Oh, yeah, that seems to say he started learning Chinese chess (xiangqi) at 14.

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Kowarenai wrote:

oh looking at old articles i found member link people like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Aagaard

maybe a good example?

I think they're more interested in people who began playing chess at a late age, not people who got the title at a late age.

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llama36 wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

oh looking at old articles i found member link people like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Aagaard

maybe a good example?

I think they're more interested in people who began playing chess at a late age, not people who got the title at a late age.

ah well idk then i just used that random link from an old forum i saw

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its kinda hard to say modernly who started late and got GM, its pretty hard to find records

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Kowarenai wrote:

its kinda hard to say modernly who started late and got GM, its pretty hard to find records

Yeah that's true. For top players we can use wiki, but it's pretty obvious top players started young. There are about 1000 other GMs.

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Almost every well established and mature highly competitive activity will have its top 1% players (grandmasters, champions, elites, etc.) among people who either started very early and had talent or started late but had experience in any other similar or semi-similar competitive activity. Anyone else would have better luck looking for lesser know or very new activities. 

 

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Rubinstein, born in 1880, learned how to play chess at the age of 16. Even though he never played for the WC he may have been the strongest player in the world in 1912. 

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brink2017 wrote:

Rubinstein, born in 1880, learned how to play chess at the age of 16. Even though he never played for the WC he may have been the strongest player in the world in 1912. 

I heard Rubinstein began at age 14 (not 16), yet didn't become more competitive with his chess devotion until his 20s. Nevertheless, as you say, he was arguably the strongest chess player in the world just before WWI. Shame he never got his WC match sad.png

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brink2017 skrev:

Rubinstein, born in 1880, learned how to play chess at the age of 16. Even though he never played for the WC he may have been the strongest player in the world in 1912. 

Now, wikipedia isn't the best source but Akiba Rubinstein learned to play chess at 14 according to it. Since the articles gives that he won over Capablanca and Schlechter in his youth and should have played Lasker before WW1 started, lets see when they started playing: Capablanca@4, Lasker@11 and Schlechter@13 . 

Kinda begs the question what was the usual starting age for the top player in late 1800-early 1900 compared to today.

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llama36 wrote:
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llama36 wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

I've heard of some GMs who began chess in their 20s or 30s, but I can't remember any specific names

Well, you're going to have to remember, because this topic has been repeated often over the last 10 years, and no one has ever come up with a name.

Chigorin and Finegold are often mentioned, but neither of them count for obvious reasons.

There's some Chinese player that people mention. The wiki gives no source, just casually mentions he didn't learn until age 18 or something (which is silly, because as the only modern GM to claim this we need more than that).

In modern times, the closest is this guy probably:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Jiangchuan

Though it is not really 20s or 30s.

Yeah that's the guy I was talking about.

If, for example, he was playing xiangqi from a young age, then learned international chess at 17, that doesn't really count now does it.

To be fair, I have no idea how different that game is and how much would it help because of that. Plus if he started playing it at the age of 14, that seems like a little bit more than nothing.

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...started doing what late ?

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

...started doing what late ?

started chess late

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...ohhh. k.

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grenpaj wrote:

Everyone is saying how grandmasters had to play at the age of 5 to 7 to achieve a GM Title. But tell me. Are there any GM's who started playing at least age of 13 or 14 who did not drop out of middle school or high school and litteraly have no Girlfriend to play chess?

 

Edit: I am saying this because i know that you need to play 8 hours a day to have improvement

And there are many gms who did other nice jobs + achieved titles in 50's which is possible NOW also.. It just takes passion and determination

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sachin884 skrev:
grenpaj wrote:

Everyone is saying how grandmasters had to play at the age of 5 to 7 to achieve a GM Title. But tell me. Are there any GM's who started playing at least age of 13 or 14 who did not drop out of middle school or high school and litteraly have no Girlfriend to play chess?

 

Edit: I am saying this because i know that you need to play 8 hours a day to have improvement

And there are many gms who did other nice jobs + achieved titles in 50's which is possible NOW also.. It just takes passion and determination

And most, if not all of them: 

  • Started playing chess early (now, it does seem that 11-14 is not "to late" to start)
  • Played seriously for many years and spent their 6-8 hours per day on chess at the club
  • Had talant 
  • Achieved some kind of master title, often IM or close to that, before stoping playing
  • (This one I am less sure about) Probably continued study and play chess through out the years they weren't active

So achieving GM in their 50's when they already have IM or something close is not the same as starting chess in their 50's and getting to GM without previous experience in chess or any similar game.

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TheNameofNames skrev:

The chess brah aman is one too isnt he?

This one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aman_Hambleton? The one who started chess at five (5) and played in his first tournament at six (6)?