Are Tournament chess rules becoming ridiculous ?

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normajeanyates
Reb wrote:

Chess players are often late and some are always late. The rules of chess state that if you are one hour late you forfeit the game, which I think is fair. However, a few minutes late ?  Fischer often came a few minutes late to his games and he isnt the only player.  Kramnik in his recently completed match with Anand was late at least once to the game. I will be interested to see if this new rule is actually enforced.


Fischer didnt bother to turn up at all for the world champ 1972 game 1 (or was it game 2? so long ago - I forgot...) - gave spassky one-game odds, in effect :)

normajeanyates
cuendillar wrote:

Another point of this rule is as bizarre: Imagine that you've come well ahead of time and your opponent isn't. Wondering why he isn't there, you rise from your seat to see if he is running towards the board from opposite the all/outside. Then the signal sounds and you're forfeited as you weren't seated at the board right then. Of course, the rule won't be enforced this way but following the rule by the letter it is what would happen.


:) Just wait and see, they *will* have to enforce it the way cuendillar thinks it wont be... What if opp PhileasFogg, who came only *just* in time, claims a forfeit? If they dont award PhileasFogg the game, PhileasFogg could sue for discrimination! Or appeal. Or whatever.

TheOldReb
normajeanyates wrote:
Reb wrote:

Chess players are often late and some are always late. The rules of chess state that if you are one hour late you forfeit the game, which I think is fair. However, a few minutes late ?  Fischer often came a few minutes late to his games and he isnt the only player.  Kramnik in his recently completed match with Anand was late at least once to the game. I will be interested to see if this new rule is actually enforced.


Fischer didnt bother to turn up at all for the world champ 1972 game 1 (or was it game 2? so long ago - I forgot...) - gave spassky one-game odds, in effect :)


 Right, Fischer forfeited game 2 because of the cameras......he claimed they were disturbing him and he wanted them removed.

normajeanyates
rsaxton wrote:

I agree with it.  If you're late for a tournament then you shouldn't be in it.

If only the same rule was applied to football teams who come out late after half time!


Also, in cricket, though I cant say I care much for the game; it is time they started timing out batsmen/batswomen who arrive more than two minutes after the fall of a wicket. Indians specially are notorious for misusing the fact that in practice a 'did not turn up to bat' out decision is rarely given. The last time was in the 1970s - India v West Indies in WI -- India were 90-odd for 5 then 'boycotted' the game without declaring ... so the scorecard read India 95 (or so) all out, with lots of DNBs (DNB = out 'did not bat' ) ...

gumpty
Of course they should be forfeited! i mean these guys play chess for a living, they are supposed to be proffesionals! if you went to watch a game of football and some of the players turned up a few minutes late, would that be ok? i mean even low level OTB tournys that i play in, i always arrive at least 30 mins before the start of the first rd, why do people think this is unfair?
polarpawn

I'd agree that being a minute late and having to forfiet is a little much.  Let there clock run out before they forfiet.

Nytik
Ilovegambits wrote:

I really don't think the game should be forfeited i think the clocks should be started but by no means forfeited.


This is a good idea, IMO.

Nytik
Reb wrote:

 How can you write down your opponent's moves before they make them?  Are you a mindreader? 


His opponent will have written down their move, and he writes it down before they play it. Smile

KillaBeez

I think that if a player shows up 30 minutes late or less, he should start the game with only half the alloted time.  Otherwise, he should be forfeited.

TheOldReb
TheMouse wrote:

Not long ago, when I was playing in the Junior 4NCL, my opponent wasn't at the board at the start of the game. I was black, with 1 hour each on the clocks. I started White's clock, only for the organizer to walk up and say "wait till your opponent gets here before starting the clock". I was surprised, is this normal? My opponent turned up a few seconds later.


No, its not normal and he was wrong to do that. At the scheduled start time for any round the clock should be started for white ( by the TD or the player playing black. Sometimes the TD/arbiter will simply make an announcement for players to start their clocks as its not practical for a TD to go around the room starting all clocks in an open event. 

ShyamGopal1

In India 2012 National Premier Championships where the winner gets a free spot in the next World Cup-

GM M.R Venkatesh who is comfortably leading the tourney by 0.5 point gets to play an untittled G.Akash as white.His cab gets stuck in traffic and even breaks down leading to him running more than 1 km to reach the venue less than 2 minutes late. He loses the game by forfeit and now his opponent is leading the field by 0.5 point now!

The next round a distraught Venkatesh is again paired with the opponent who he lost by forfeit and then due to lack of mental composure he loses from a better position against a person who's rating is less than 200 points of his rating.Into the last round G.Akash heads with a 1 point lead and simply makes a quick draw to grab the tittle ahead of a very strong field inculding some 2600+ GMs and gets a spot in the coming world cup!!Surprised

This is the kind of damage the zero tolerance rule can do!!

Nordlandia

The chess dress code is also ridiculous in that sense as well.

ShyamGopal1

They are not coming out clearly on why these rules r un place!!