Are there very many books that cover K & H in any detail?
Ask a guy who lost half a point in the Chicago Open because he didn't know the K&H endgame position
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kindaspongey wrote:
Are there very many books that cover K & H in any detail?
Jesus De La Villa's 100 Endgames You Must Know does. I just finished reading Ending 56 (the ending that covers it). I am face palming, slamming my fists on the table, (more frustrated emotions), etc. right now.
When the Philidor isn't possible (which I tried to achieve and noticed I couldn't), the K&H should be attempted next.
Because I didn't know the K&H, the position was unsalvageable for me. I was actually at ending 55 before the start of the tournament, which makes it so much worse for me. I was one ending away from saving half a point.
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Kling & Horwitz defensive technique. Rook and pawn endgames with a central pawn.
Jun 2, 2017
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#7
Never heard of K&H... also what do you mean by "I was actually at ending 55 before the start of the tournament" ??????
insidejob wrote:
Please pardon my novice question, but what is K&H in chess? Thanks.
The Kling and Horwitz technique allows black to draw when the Philidor Position cannot be reached. They are related in that the defender cannot allow the attacking king to occupy the 8th rank, and does this by threatening to capture the (bishop or central) pawn with the rook, and/or keeping the defending king in front of the pawn (whenever possible).
jonesmikechess wrote:
Kling & Horwitz defensive technique. Rook and pawn endgames with a central pawn.
Ending 55 (for those who don't have the book) is the first rank defense when the attacker has a knight's pawn. The king remains on the short side and the rook serves as a shield on the back rank.
insidejob wrote:
strikingtan - thanks for your response. I'll have to get that book!
It is an essential block of knowledge to own.
What's an H?
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
What's an H?
A letter of the English alphabet
Jun 2, 2017
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#15
I've never heard of this before, although I've seen it.
Most of these theoretical endgames aren't very important compared to just playing better earlier on, as well as endgame strategy.
I have never had to use any theoretical techniques in king+rook endgames ever in my OTB games.
But king+rook endgame strategy? I have to use that all the time.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
I've never heard of this before, although I've seen it.
Most of these theoretical endgames aren't very important compared to just playing better earlier on, as well as endgame strategy.
I have never had to use any theoretical techniques in king+rook endgames ever in my OTB games.
But king+rook endgame strategy? I have to use that all the time.
There's not much theory rather than practice...these are positions that, when arrived at, either guarantee a certain result (barring blunders like mine).
Ironically I arrived here because I did not play my RPP vs. RP ending correctly. I lost both pawns - connected g- and h- pawns - due to time trouble in sudden death...5 mins left. So you may have a point there, but at that point this knowledge serves as a strong back-up.
I don't exactly know what you mean by 'theory', anyway.
Jun 2, 2017
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#17
By endgame theory, I mean positions where you know "do this, then this, then this, and you will win/draw automatically". Just like opening theory, where you 100% know the correct move, or at least the one recommended by engines/GMs. In endgames, it's more about methods than moves.
Basically, endgame theory I mean as positions where you can force an outcome with certain move sequences, and you know exactly what that algorithm is.
Endgame strategy (and calculation) is needed where there is no such knowledge.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
By endgame theory, I mean positions where you know "do this, then this, then this, and you will win/draw automatically". Just like opening theory, where you 100% know the correct move, or at least the one recommended by engines/GMs. In endgames, it's more about methods than moves.
Basically, endgame theory I mean as positions where you can force an outcome with certain move sequences, and you know exactly what that algorithm is.
Endgame strategy (and calculation) is needed where there is no such knowledge.
There's no memorization of move sequences in the endgame. It's about knowing the right idea, like moving your rook behind the pawn to prevent the king from advancing (it needs to defend the pawn). Or, like moving your rook to cut off the king from its pawn (resulting in either a draw or a win for the cutter).
Even in simple KP vs. K endings, it may seem like you're performing some sequence of moves which is always the same no matter what. Actually, it's based on keeping the opposition and making sure that the defending king does not obtain it. There is, again, not a sequence of moves to be memorized, but ideas.
Lawson's Morphy biography indicated that Morphy acquired a few chess books in 1853. Lawson included a report of a Maurian quote:
"... During the two years that we remained at college together, Morphy played a considerable number of games with me at odds gradually diminishing as I improved. ... Mr. Morphy had the following Chess books with him, the only ones, as far as I know that he ever possessed until the New York Chess Congress in 1857. Horwitz and Kling's Chess Studies, which he pronounced a very good and useful book for students, although not free from error; the B. Vols composing the collection of Kieseritzky's La Regence, and Staunton's Chess Tournament. ..."
mickynj wrote:
I've seen and mastered (perhaps!) this technique, but I never knew it by that name. It's generally presented under titles like "What to do when you can't set up the Philidor." It's a really neat technique, and will save you a lot of half-points. And it really helps to know these basic positions. It's not easy to figure them out when the clock it ticking
Yep, it can be impossible to figure out unless you have studied them beforehand. You can get away with that in the opening, though.
damn it