You are doing something much better than me with such a rating 
At what rating should I start bothering with openings?
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a few month i will get myself one additional book shelf if i get 100 rubies
Jul 8, 2018
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#24
torrubirubi wrote:
Blunderpatzer wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Holy crap.
I posted all the above, before I even looked at your rating. You are really 1600??
You should have a very strong foundation in opening, already.
I bothered to learn the names of all the major openings, at 1200.
When I began to play learn openings I was able to crush players which much more experience than me only because they didn't know much about openings. Like in the QGA where people playing black were trying to hold material and so on. The better you get, the more you have to understand middlegame and the passage from middlegame to endgame and such stuff. But at the level I am playing (1600 in Daily, probably similar rating in rapid if I would play this more frequently) it is already enough to have a basic repertoire for black and white, basic concepts in middlegame and more than basic concepts in endgames.
I see a lot of 1400-1500 players in Daily Games playing really dubious lines where would be difficult for me to face in a blitz game, but in a Daily Game I will often crush them in less than 20 moves.
Some of these guy really understand the game. Sometimes they come out of the opening with a horrible position, often with less material, but are able to fight with smart moves until the end of the game. With more opening's knowledge these people would be rated something like 200 points higher.
I think these people are often infected with the opinion that you should not learn openings until you are 2000+. Good for me!
You are aware that we are allowed to use opening databases in daily chess? When I play weak players (like 1800 daily and below) I try to play sidelines or less well known openings to bring my opponents out of book. Once they are on their own, they play inaccuratly and it is not too difficult to win the game rather easily.
See # 15
Yeah oops! I did not read post 15.
the short and sweet series are all sooo nice
30 years ago, 2500 was the rating. Now, something like 1200, I should say. By 1800, 10-15 moves should be played following the book.
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
Jul 8, 2018
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#28
instantly lol i know this will go against alot of the advice you get at cc as they tend to say study endgame , but you gottta get to an endgame aint you , so opening theory is vital esp as you are learning the game , imo , but thats all my opinion is , and you dont need to agree or follow it but it worked for me , who knows it might work for you , ps i aint no master ,look at my grade , and stronger graded players may have a better viewpoint
Jul 8, 2018
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#29
Seems the experts say otherwise. Learn the Opening principles when you start, and then the endgames, so you can play well in the middle game with the ability to know when to simplify for a win.
For a beginner to learn all about this or that Opening is fruitless. That knowledge will come from the experience gained by analysing ones own games, and getting a feel for how certain ways of laying out the game pan out.
camter wrote:
... Learn the Opening principles when you start, ... For a beginner to learn all about this or that Opening is fruitless. ...
Are those the only two alternatives?
kindaspongey wrote:
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)
"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf
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Jul 8, 2018
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#32
fieldsofforce wrote:
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.
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I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read. And there are stupid trolls like you. just shut up
Jul 8, 2018
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#34
kindaspongey wrote:
camter wrote:
... Learn the Opening principles when you start, ... For a beginner to learn all about this or that Opening is fruitless. ...
Are those the only two alternatives?
The other alternative is to listen to the experts who say that beginners are wasting their time needlessly going into detail about individual openings.
Show someone how to win a King and Pawn Ending, and you are putting them on the road to mastery.
All you need to do to an Opening study beginner is to get them out of book, and they area all at sea.
whenever you want, you're an adult
Jul 8, 2018
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#36
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.
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I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read. And there are stupid trolls like you. just shut up
Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious. 
Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.
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I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read. And there are stupid trolls like you. just shut up
Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious. Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.
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Check your facts. I hven't played one game on this site. So where did they get that rating. I have read your posts. I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.
Jul 8, 2018
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#38
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:
1. Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game
2. There are 2 theories of controlling the center in chess
a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5). Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.
b. Hypermodern control of the center. Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces. With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.
3. Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.
You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.
________________
I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read. And there are stupid trolls like you. just shut up
Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious. Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.
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Check your facts. I hven't played one game on this site. So where did they get that rating. I have read your posts. I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.
Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.
camter wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
camter wrote:
... Learn the Opening principles when you start, ... For a beginner to learn all about this or that Opening is fruitless. ...
Are those the only two alternatives?
The other alternative is to listen to the experts who say that beginners are wasting their time needlessly going into detail about individual openings. ...
What about the sort of alternative indicated by these folks?
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)
"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf
chessable improves the speed of opening learning by factor 3 approx. Everybody who does not check this one out misses something, regardless of your rating
I agree that Chessable is obligatory for every serious chess player. I would be not surprise if several IMs are also working there with a fake account (without giving the rating), especially with the books on endgames and strategy. But at least one of the books on tactics is also useful for a strong player. In the openings an IM would profit immensely from the repertoire by Alex Colovic based on the QGD. I would even say that the speed of learning is even faster than by factor of 3. I think it is more. I think that it is not only the efficient way to learn, but also the efficient way to review the lines that you think you already know is something very useful.
At least for me (with a miserable memory) is Chessable the only way to learn new patterns. I have also to say that I was learning with spaced repetition in the past, with cards, but the system was very time-consuming.
And it is fun!
Yes. Ho long are already training in Chessable?