At what rating should I start bothering with openings?

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camter wrote:

... All you need to do to an Opening study beginner is to get them out of book, and they area all at sea.

No problem for the beginner who is out-of-book at the start of the game?

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Around 900

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torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

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I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

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Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

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You really are brain dead.

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kindaspongey wrote:
camter wrote:

... All you need to do to an Opening study beginner is to get them out of book, and they area all at sea.

No problem for the beginner who is out-of-book at the start of the game?

Thanks for confirming what I have slowly come to believe, kinder, you are a troll.

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1800 Elo

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"... This book is the first volume in a series of manuals designed for players who are building the foundations of their chess knowledge. The reader will receive the necessary basic knowledge in six areas of the game - tactcs, positional play, strategy, the calculation of variations, the opening and the endgame. ... To make the book entertaining and varied, I have mixed up these different areas, ..." - GM Artur Yusupov

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kindaspongey wrote:

"... This book is the first volume in a series of manuals designed for players who are building the foundations of their chess knowledge. The reader will receive the necessary basic knowledge in six areas of the game - tactcs, positional play, strategy, the calculation of variations, the opening and the endgame. ... To make the book entertaining and varied, I have mixed up these different areas, ..." - GM Artur Yusupov

I have some of yusupovs books I have yet to go through them but they are targeted mainly towards tournament players.

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AnhVanT wrote:

Ah spaced repetition is like flashcard studying with StudyBlue. Very interesting. I will buy an opening book on chessable just because I support science .

I tell you right now: you will love it 

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fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

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pdve wrote:

Right now I am just focusing on tactics and it's working fine for me. What rating level do you think is appropriate to start looking at openings(if I ever get there, that is)

Your rating is high enough, and you probably have been working on openings as a side effect of all your games and analyzes.

 

To dig deeper into openings, the time comes when you get curious enough. 

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torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

                                                        _______________________

1600.  A C player.  I was rated higher than 1600 in the 1980s playing USCF sanctioned tournaments.  I am rated now and have been since 1990s above 2200.  You are on the other hand a C player and stupid troll.

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fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

                                                        _______________________

1600.  A C player.  I was rated higher than 1600 in the 1980s playing USCF sanctioned tournaments.  I am rated now and have been since 1990s above 2200.  You are on the other hand a C player and stupid troll.

From a 1600 to a 800: first accept that you are weak, otherwise you'll never improve.

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torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

Ridiculous your strange mix between lack of humor, unnecessary aggressivity and arrogance. You like to hide in the web to insult people that you would not dare to insult in real life.

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fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

                                                        _______________________

1600.  A C player.  I was rated higher than 1600 in the 1980s playing USCF sanctioned tournaments.  I am rated now and have been since 1990s above 2200.  You are on the other hand a C player and stupid troll.

In the post I wrote that you got so mad and called me stupid I told that I am so weak I am not able to control rhe center in my games. Did you once heard the word self-irony? You are really a genius buddy.

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I think I'll stay clear of the forums if this conversation is typical of what can be found on here.

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I think I'll stay clear of the forums if this conversation is typical of what can be found on here.

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Signal25 wrote:

I think I'll stay clear of the forums if this conversation is typical of what can be found on here.

It is very typical, and not only in this thread 

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Signal25 έγραψε:

I think I'll stay clear of the forums if this conversation is typical of what can be found on here.

Usually it requires at least two very stupid people posting to get such a high quality output, but fortunately enough the site has plenty of them.

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torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

There are 3 perspectives that a player must understand in order to understand the why of opening moves. The 3 perspectives are:

1.  Chess is Siege Warfare in the form of a game

2.  There are 2 theories of  controlling the center in chess

  a. Classical control of the center (squares d4, d5, e4. e5).  Occupy the center with your pawns and pieces in order to control the center.

  b.  Hypermodern control of the center.  Estblish control of the central squares with the power of your pawns and pieces.  With this method you do not provide your opponent with targets in the center as occurs in the Classical theory.

3.  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of your 8 pawns.

You forgot method number 4 control of the centre (the torrubirubi's method): play randomly in the centre until your opponent surprise you and you lose a pawn, a piece or the game.

                                                                            ________________

I didn't forget anything for those of us who can read.  And there are stupid trolls like you.  just shut up

Hey my friend, this was only a little joke. But yeah, rated 800 and giving other people advice how to play chess is really hilarious.  Learn to play chess before you begin to teach other people.Tell me, how long are already playing chess? Since one week? Perhaps two? Try to control yourself the center in your games and you will get probably 1400.

                                                                              ______________________

Check your facts.  I hven't played one game on this site.  So where did they get that rating.  I have read your posts.   I have forgotten more about chess than you will ever know.

Okay 800-guy, sorry if I offend you. Go on telling us how to control the center and all these wonderful things.

                                                                     _______________________

You really are brain dead.

Hey, don't be ashamed to be 800, everybody was weak at the beginning.

                                                        _______________________

1600.  A C player.  I was rated higher than 1600 in the 1980s playing USCF sanctioned tournaments.  I am rated now and have been since 1990s above 2200.  You are on the other hand a C player and stupid troll.

In the post I wrote that you got so mad and called me stupid I told that I am so weak I am not able to control rhe center in my games. Did you once heard the word self-irony? You are really a genius buddy.

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I would agree with you if you were right!