Ban Vladimir Kramnik for life

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pcalugaru wrote:

What a bunch of of Soy Boy ...

You people need to get a life.... No one knows how this guy died, For or we know, he took something laced with fentanyl.

Probably but we know what he talked about before he died

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
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TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
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TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

And what will banning Kramnik accomplish? Nothing. Banning Kramnik and anyone else that is toxic will not fix the mental health issues people deal with. As I said before. Kramnik is a symptom of a much large problem. He is not the root cause. You cure the problem, not the symptom.

Cut the bull*hit. Danya had mental health issues BECAUSE of Kramnik. He has been making his life difficult for a year to the point where he could not even enjoy playing the game anymore, as each time he did well, another wave of harassment would come in. Danya clearly opened up about what troubled him on his last streams. It was not some random "mental health". It was the Kramnik situation.

Daniels mental health issues were around before Kramnik arrived on the scene.

No, they were not. Kramnik suck*er.

You dont wake up one day and say: "This person bothers me." That health issue has always been around. And I forgive you.

That's right, he was being harassed and abused for over a year. That's the point. Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

Again you are forgiven. And his mental health issue were there a lot longer than a year ago.

Where did you read that? On Kramnik's tweets? Clown. He was fine a year ago and you are supporting a person that drives other people into suicide.

Appearing to be fine and actually being fine are two completely different things.

You are very correct saying he had problems before Kramnik.
But with mental health, oftentimes it is just problem on compounding problem that drives a person insane. And considering the continuous slander and attacks Kramnik posited against Danya, it is only reasonable to assume it was his "tipping point". He just couldn't take it anymore. He even said that in his last stream. "Ever since the Kramnik"...and then he mumbles off about the situation somewhat incoherently.
Kramnik certainly is partially at fault for Danya's death if he died by one of the two currently main theories. Like you said, Danya was already vulnerable. Kramnik just f**king finished the job. He needs to face consequences. 
This should also be a lesson for those berating Hans Neimann among others. Unproven accusations can still have very serious negative effects and should never be said and if so, apologized for (please, Magnus).

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Speed_Swimmer_1 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

And what will banning Kramnik accomplish? Nothing. Banning Kramnik and anyone else that is toxic will not fix the mental health issues people deal with. As I said before. Kramnik is a symptom of a much large problem. He is not the root cause. You cure the problem, not the symptom.

Cut the bull*hit. Danya had mental health issues BECAUSE of Kramnik. He has been making his life difficult for a year to the point where he could not even enjoy playing the game anymore, as each time he did well, another wave of harassment would come in. Danya clearly opened up about what troubled him on his last streams. It was not some random "mental health". It was the Kramnik situation.

Daniels mental health issues were around before Kramnik arrived on the scene.

No, they were not. Kramnik suck*er.

You dont wake up one day and say: "This person bothers me." That health issue has always been around. And I forgive you.

That's right, he was being harassed and abused for over a year. That's the point. Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

Again you are forgiven. And his mental health issue were there a lot longer than a year ago.

Where did you read that? On Kramnik's tweets? Clown. He was fine a year ago and you are supporting a person that drives other people into suicide.

Appearing to be fine and actually being fine are two completely different things.

You are very correct saying he had problems before Kramnik.
But with mental health, oftentimes it is just problem on compounding problem that drives a person insane. And considering the continuous slander and attacks Kramnik posited against Danya, it is only reasonable to assume it was his "tipping point". He just couldn't take it anymore. He even said that in his last stream. "Ever since the Kramnik"...and then he mumbles off about the situation somewhat incoherently.
Kramnik certainly is partially at fault for Danya's death if he died by one of the two currently main theories. Like you said, Danya was already vulnerable. Kramnik just f**king finished the job. He needs to face consequences. 
This should also be a lesson for those berating Hans Neimann among others. Unproven accusations can still have very serious negative effects and should never be said and if so, apologized for (please, Magnus).

Hans Neiman is kinda different and they didn't change up the story whenever it suited them they stopped even if it was unfair they at least stopped plus hans if I remember instagated a little to

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Speed_Swimmer_1 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

And what will banning Kramnik accomplish? Nothing. Banning Kramnik and anyone else that is toxic will not fix the mental health issues people deal with. As I said before. Kramnik is a symptom of a much large problem. He is not the root cause. You cure the problem, not the symptom.

Cut the bull*hit. Danya had mental health issues BECAUSE of Kramnik. He has been making his life difficult for a year to the point where he could not even enjoy playing the game anymore, as each time he did well, another wave of harassment would come in. Danya clearly opened up about what troubled him on his last streams. It was not some random "mental health". It was the Kramnik situation.

Daniels mental health issues were around before Kramnik arrived on the scene.

No, they were not. Kramnik suck*er.

You dont wake up one day and say: "This person bothers me." That health issue has always been around. And I forgive you.

That's right, he was being harassed and abused for over a year. That's the point. Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

Again you are forgiven. And his mental health issue were there a lot longer than a year ago.

Where did you read that? On Kramnik's tweets? Clown. He was fine a year ago and you are supporting a person that drives other people into suicide.

Appearing to be fine and actually being fine are two completely different things.

You are very correct saying he had problems before Kramnik.
But with mental health, oftentimes it is just problem on compounding problem that drives a person insane. And considering the continuous slander and attacks Kramnik posited against Danya, it is only reasonable to assume it was his "tipping point". He just couldn't take it anymore. He even said that in his last stream. "Ever since the Kramnik"...and then he mumbles off about the situation somewhat incoherently.
Kramnik certainly is partially at fault for Danya's death if he died by one of the two currently main theories. Like you said, Danya was already vulnerable. Kramnik just f**king finished the job. He needs to face consequences. 
This should also be a lesson for those berating Hans Neimann among others. Unproven accusations can still have very serious negative effects and should never be said and if so, apologized for (please, Magnus).

I think we are now finally agreeing on this. Yes Kramnik is a contributing factor. Was he the tipping point? I honestly don't know as I only know what we all know. Could he have been? Yes, but we don't know what else was going on.

The last drink may be the one that kills you. But its the first one that starts you down that road. Kramnik apparently was the last drink, but he certainly wasn't the first.

I can only pray that our of this tragedy. One person will login to the internet and think about what there words could do to someone before posting those words.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Speed_Swimmer_1 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

And what will banning Kramnik accomplish? Nothing. Banning Kramnik and anyone else that is toxic will not fix the mental health issues people deal with. As I said before. Kramnik is a symptom of a much large problem. He is not the root cause. You cure the problem, not the symptom.

Cut the bull*hit. Danya had mental health issues BECAUSE of Kramnik. He has been making his life difficult for a year to the point where he could not even enjoy playing the game anymore, as each time he did well, another wave of harassment would come in. Danya clearly opened up about what troubled him on his last streams. It was not some random "mental health". It was the Kramnik situation.

Daniels mental health issues were around before Kramnik arrived on the scene.

No, they were not. Kramnik suck*er.

You dont wake up one day and say: "This person bothers me." That health issue has always been around. And I forgive you.

That's right, he was being harassed and abused for over a year. That's the point. Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

Again you are forgiven. And his mental health issue were there a lot longer than a year ago.

Where did you read that? On Kramnik's tweets? Clown. He was fine a year ago and you are supporting a person that drives other people into suicide.

Appearing to be fine and actually being fine are two completely different things.

You are very correct saying he had problems before Kramnik.
But with mental health, oftentimes it is just problem on compounding problem that drives a person insane. And considering the continuous slander and attacks Kramnik posited against Danya, it is only reasonable to assume it was his "tipping point". He just couldn't take it anymore. He even said that in his last stream. "Ever since the Kramnik"...and then he mumbles off about the situation somewhat incoherently.
Kramnik certainly is partially at fault for Danya's death if he died by one of the two currently main theories. Like you said, Danya was already vulnerable. Kramnik just f**king finished the job. He needs to face consequences. 
This should also be a lesson for those berating Hans Neimann among others. Unproven accusations can still have very serious negative effects and should never be said and if so, apologized for (please, Magnus).

I think we are now finally agreeing on this. Yes Kramnik is a contributing factor. Was he the tipping point? I honestly don't know as I only know what we all know. Could he have been? Yes, but we don't know what else was going on.

The last drink may be the one that kills you. But its the first one that starts you down that road. Kramnik apparently was the last drink, but he certainly wasn't the first.

I can only pray that our of this tragedy. One person will login to the internet and think about what there words could do to someone before posting those words.

We should all say something positive on Twitter

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Speed_Swimmer_1 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

And what will banning Kramnik accomplish? Nothing. Banning Kramnik and anyone else that is toxic will not fix the mental health issues people deal with. As I said before. Kramnik is a symptom of a much large problem. He is not the root cause. You cure the problem, not the symptom.

Cut the bull*hit. Danya had mental health issues BECAUSE of Kramnik. He has been making his life difficult for a year to the point where he could not even enjoy playing the game anymore, as each time he did well, another wave of harassment would come in. Danya clearly opened up about what troubled him on his last streams. It was not some random "mental health". It was the Kramnik situation.

Daniels mental health issues were around before Kramnik arrived on the scene.

No, they were not. Kramnik suck*er.

You dont wake up one day and say: "This person bothers me." That health issue has always been around. And I forgive you.

That's right, he was being harassed and abused for over a year. That's the point. Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

Again you are forgiven. And his mental health issue were there a lot longer than a year ago.

Where did you read that? On Kramnik's tweets? Clown. He was fine a year ago and you are supporting a person that drives other people into suicide.

Appearing to be fine and actually being fine are two completely different things.

You are very correct saying he had problems before Kramnik.
But with mental health, oftentimes it is just problem on compounding problem that drives a person insane. And considering the continuous slander and attacks Kramnik posited against Danya, it is only reasonable to assume it was his "tipping point". He just couldn't take it anymore. He even said that in his last stream. "Ever since the Kramnik"...and then he mumbles off about the situation somewhat incoherently.
Kramnik certainly is partially at fault for Danya's death if he died by one of the two currently main theories. Like you said, Danya was already vulnerable. Kramnik just f**king finished the job. He needs to face consequences. 
This should also be a lesson for those berating Hans Neimann among others. Unproven accusations can still have very serious negative effects and should never be said and if so, apologized for (please, Magnus).

I think we are now finally agreeing on this. Yes Kramnik is a contributing factor. Was he the tipping point? I honestly don't know as I only know what we all know. Could he have been? Yes, but we don't know what else was going on.

The last drink may be the one that kills you. But its the first one that starts you down that road. Kramnik apparently was the last drink, but he certainly wasn't the first.

I can only pray that our of this tragedy. One person will login to the internet and think about what there words could do to someone before posting those words.

We should all say something positive on Twitter

This here is as close as I get to anti-social media.

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Forget about banning him from FIDE and chess community, he deserves jail time. R.I.P Danya

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Thats a very short-sighted response.
Would you have Chesscom ban Magnus, Hikaru, Nepo and at least a dozen other high ranking GM's for doing the same exact thing?
When someone ends their life you cant blame anyone but the person who carried out the act.
I say this as someone who has lost 3 of the closest people in my life to su*cide.
Danya was very obviously on some dangerous drugs his last livestream if you start watching at the 1:35:00 mark.
For all we know he died of an accidental overdose.
This is no disrespect to him, I admired Danya very much, but thats the truth.
 Danya said many, MANY times that it wasnt Kramnik that was bothering him. Watch his interview with Dina Belenkaya, he goes VERY into depth what he's feeling and basically says its other GM's like Nepo and random comments from random people on forums like Reddit that upset him. On his final stream he was complaining about a reddit post, not Kramnik.
I urge everyone to watch this full interview with Womens GM Dina Belenkaya, and then watch his final stream in full
Unfiltered Podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHPp1RgRUj0

Daniel's last stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbk-mvBmLUM

The most ironic thing about the crowd reaction to Danya's tragic passing is that 99% of those same people calling for Kramnik's head were the same exact people hounding and bullying Hans Niemann ruthlessly for years on end.

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I suppose one difference is that Hans actually cheated at one point. Although I didn't like how Magnus handled that situation, but I think it was an emotional response to losing / feeling humiliated combined with the coincidence of the prep and hearing certain rumors about Hans cheating, some of which were true.

Kramnik isn't really the same, he has sustained his accusations for years, has made them as public as possible, he gives no presumption of innocence, he ignores statistics and prolonged explanations... he even fabricates evidence... and seems driven by a need to 'win the argument' he started.

For example, Kramnik accused Danya of "cheating" when Danya was using the engine to do some preemptive post-game analysis of move 8 for his audience of a game against a 1000 rated player who had just thrown away his queen, on an account where all the points would be refunded... Not even Kramnik is retarded enough to believe that constitutes cheating in any meaningful sense, but that's how he presented it to his audience... he even cut up the video and omitted those key details to lend his case more credibility. So yes, Kramnik is scum and deserves to be shunned.

You can't attribute outside cause to a personal decision, especially one of that magnitude (assuming it was suicide), but there are obviously degrees of outside influence.

Regarding Nepo - similar to Kramnik, he's another autistic dunce driven largely by resentment, but he's more cowardly / opportunistic than Kramnik and wouldn't have insinuated anything without Kramnik paving the way for him.

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crazedrat1000 wrote:

I suppose one difference is that Hans actually cheated at one point.

You can't attribute outside cause to a personal decision, especially one of that magnitude (assuming it was suicide), but there are obviously degrees of outside influence.

Regarding Nepo - similar to Kramnik, he's another autistic dunce, but he's more cowardly than Kramnik and wouldn't have insinuated anything without Kramnik paving the way for him.

Magnus's was an emotional reaction to losing... Kramnik has sustained his accusations for years, has made them as publicly as possible, he gives no presumption of innocence, he has ignored statistics and prolonged rational explanations... he's a complete idiot... and seems driven by a need to win 'the argument' he started.

I also don't think Magnus was being malicious kramnik is 100% malicious and basically a grifter

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There's just something missing from Kramnik, it's almost like his brain has been so dedicated to chess that it's pruned off the other areas. It's like he's living in a la-la land, he has a look on his face like he's dazed and birds are flying around his head. Listening to him speculate about things that just are obviously not the case one gets the impression he's retarded. He fundamentally lacks insight.

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None of us really know, to be a bit Socratic, we dont know how or why Danya did this, we dont know the extant of Hans' cheating, we don't know what is in the heart and mind of Magnus when he does something like accuse Hans or someone else of impropriety.
For all we know Hans's "cheating" was to the extant of Naroditsky's "cheating", ie; a technicality, but not 'cheating' in the way most people would think of it.

For those reasons I dont think we should be judging anyone too extremely, whether positively or negatively. For all we know Magnus may be the biggest cheat and Kramnik may be right about everything. Until their is concrete information one shouldnt draw too harsh a critique.

Multiple times I heard Danya compare Kramniks accusations against him to the Salem Witch Trials and I think that's fairly accurate in that Kramnik is trying to do good, but seems to be so overzealous in his actions that he is instead doing harm.

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TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:

... Kramnik suck*er.

... Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

... Clown ...

What happened to the smiles?

If our dear LT decides to end it all, guess we'll have you to blame.

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sawdof wrote:
TheAgeOfSmiles wrote:

... Kramnik suck*er.

... Not the brightest candle on the cake, are you?

... Clown ...

What happened to the smiles?

If our dear LT decides to end it all, guess we'll have you to blame.

As I commented to him before. He is forgiven. Even the idea of allowing a complete stranger that felt the needed to insult me online because we dont agree om something is beyond ridiculous.

If that person is dealing with some things I pray they get the help they need.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:

Kramnik is not the root cause of this sad situation. He is a symptom. From everything I have read, heard and watched. Daniel Naroditsky was dealing with mental health issues. Where were Daniel's family and friends? Why wasn't he getting the help he needed? Why didnt anyone speak up on his behalf? Kramnik and everyone else negatively involved in this were the people standing around yelling "Jump!". Did they contribute to the problem? Yes. Did they cause the problem? No.

Never confidently post on a topic again. You're just as bad as the FIDE CEO. If you have literally ZERO information on his personal life then you have no place to speak on it. You don't have any idea how many people he did or didn't have around him from day to day. You don't have any idea if he was seeing a therapist. You do not know so do not speak. Show a little respect if you're going to post on anything

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Is this the new form victim blaming is going to take? Blaming the friends and family for not doing more?

Please...go ahead and try to tell everyone how Bortnyk and Belenkaya did not "do enough"...

Kramnik is reprehensible, but the people pointing fingers at Danya's friends with absolutely no knowledge or basis are not much better. Morally bereft, that would be the kindest thing I could say.

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Last I checked Kramnik was not the one who gave drugs to Daniel Naroditsky.

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Cavalry425 wrote:

Last I checked Kramnik was not the one who gave drugs to Daniel Naroditsky.

You mean the over the counter Benadryl he took? Or do you mean something else?

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Cavalry425 wrote:

Last I checked Kramnik was not the one who gave drugs to Daniel Naroditsky.

You mean the over the counter Benadryl he took? Or do you mean something else?

I mean whatever killed him... Obviously.

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