Biggest chess lie, that everyone is saying !

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MJBunce

It's not "a lie." It's a different opinion. Fun does not have to be quantified. If you're playing to accomplish a goal, then yes, ratings matter. If you're playing because it's a fun board game, then no, ratings don't matter. It all depends on your perspective.

ESP-918
vantangler wrote:

Ratings only matter to those to whom they matter to.  I have been playing chess off and on for 30+ years and have a blitz rating of 550 - 700 and I don't care.  Used to have a rating of 1700 - 1800 and didn't care much then either.  I am happy in life, so such shallow matters do not bother me, though I will say there is an inverse relation to the attractiveness of of ones significant other(s) vs. chess proficiency.  That said, my rating still trends downwards and that is fine with me.

You think of ratings in very basic , simple ways. 

It's actually very philosophical subject.

"Shallow ratings " you say that's how you see it and I do agree sone thing are way more important in life, BUT look at this rating a different way .

Rating shows who you are as a person are you willing to work hard?  Are you motivated, are you willing to take risks and be successful?  Are you happy with who you are at the moment? 

 All that not just about rating but about every day life , why go to gym and have a good shaped body (1000+ rating ) if I'm happy with my fat belly (300+rating ) , why have a better job (1000+rating) if  happy cleaning toilets  (300+ ratig) as long as I enjoy it .etc...... 

You see my point ?  It's not about rating its about you and ratings just shows who you really are as a person same as other things in life.

 

ESP-918
mpaetz wrote:

     Achieving a high rating requires talent but also demands a lot of work, learning and practice. If someone doesn't choose to invest that much effort, or doesn't have that much free time to reach their highest level but instead enjoys playing regularly at a local club and/or an occaisional tournament, or spending an idle hour playing online, so what? To such people ratings do NOT matter that much an they are probably happier in their chess lives than those who judge themselves (and others) mainly on the basis of ratings.

What ever you do in life you must be willing to learn and adopt, life is about learning.

ESP-918
GambitHawk wrote:

Ratings matter to who?

To someone who's willing to adopt, learn and improve not just on a chess board but in real life too.

MJBunce
ESP-918 wrote:
vantangler wrote:

Ratings only matter to those to whom they matter to.  I have been playing chess off and on for 30+ years and have a blitz rating of 550 - 700 and I don't care.  Used to have a rating of 1700 - 1800 and didn't care much then either.  I am happy in life, so such shallow matters do not bother me, though I will say there is an inverse relation to the attractiveness of of ones significant other(s) vs. chess proficiency.  That said, my rating still trends downwards and that is fine with me.

You think of ratings in very basic , simple ways. 

It's actually very philosophical subject.

"Shallow ratings " you say that's how you see it and I do agree sone thing are way more important in life, BUT look at this rating a different way .

Rating shows who you are as a person are you willing to work hard?  Are you motivated, are you willing to take risks and be successful?  Are you happy with who you are at the moment? 

 All that not just about rating but about every day life , why go to gym and have a good shaped body (1000+ rating ) if I'm happy with my fat belly (300+rating ) , why have a better job (1000+rating) if  happy cleaning toilets  (300+ ratig) as long as I enjoy it .etc...... 

You see my point ?  It's not about rating its about you and ratings just shows who you really are as a person same as other things in life.

 

Just because someone doesn't put their heart and soul into chess... doesn't mean they don't put their heart and soul into other pursuits. I'm a relatively new player and my rating is low. But I have a family and I don't want to dedicate my time to my chess rating when my priority is my family. So I play chess for the fun of it when I have spare time, and it's not a lie when I say I don't care about my rating. Because I'm not trying to impress anyone.

ESP-918
jamesstack wrote:

I remember attending a GM lecture several years ago, The subject of ratings came up and the Grandmaster said, "You shouldn't worry about your rating. You should worry about playing good chess. If you play good chess, your rating will take care of itself."

True , but same thing for me , good chess = good rating, high rating = good chess isn't ?  Same thing

ESP-918
KGambit01 wrote:

"I'm an honest person" Of those 2 sentences by the OP, at least one is a lie. If I gave him the 3000 blitz rating he craves, what could he do with it? Nothing. So it doesn't matter. So he isn't honest.

I can do many thing with it trust me.

Including  $$$ 

ESP-918
MJBunce wrote:

It's not "a lie." It's a different opinion. Fun does not have to be quantified. If you're playing to accomplish a goal, then yes, ratings matter. If you're playing because it's a fun board game, then no, ratings don't matter. It all depends on your perspective.

Yes true , but then in real life you can live with same mentality.  I go to gym once a month who cares that I'm still fat it's just a gym, I'm working in lower wage job , but who cares it's just a job, I don't have gf or a wife , but who cares it's just a women etc......

ESP-918
Tonya_Harding wrote:

I'll add, the said GM who bragged about, ratings don't matter, sure doesn't have a problem with playing A or B tournament, nor has any problem about being selected in team A or B of a Chess club. He forgot what it is to be an amateur.

Exactly, you are smart woman , you understand things. 

Some people still having problems of understanding, that chess is a sport. 

vantangler
ESP-918 wrote:
vantangler wrote:

Ratings only matter to those to whom they matter to.  I have been playing chess off and on for 30+ years and have a blitz rating of 550 - 700 and I don't care.  Used to have a rating of 1700 - 1800 and didn't care much then either.  I am happy in life, so such shallow matters do not bother me, though I will say there is an inverse relation to the attractiveness of of ones significant other(s) vs. chess proficiency.  That said, my rating still trends downwards and that is fine with me.

You think of ratings in very basic , simple ways. 

It's actually very philosophical subject.

"Shallow ratings " you say that's how you see it and I do agree sone thing are way more important in life, BUT look at this rating a different way .

Rating shows who you are as a person are you willing to work hard?  Are you motivated, are you willing to take risks and be successful?  Are you happy with who you are at the moment? 

 All that not just about rating but about every day life , why go to gym and have a good shaped body (1000+ rating ) if I'm happy with my fat belly (300+rating ) , why have a better job (1000+rating) if  happy cleaning toilets  (300+ ratig) as long as I enjoy it .etc...... 

You see my point ?  It's not about rating its about you and ratings just shows who you really are as a person same as other things in life.

 

I suppose if you gamify life into an elo rating you could compare yourself among others and see where you stand. Obvi if you are not happy with some facets you need to improve them to something you would deem acceptable, or superior or whatever.  There is also the refrain that “comparison is the thief of joy” which I do agree with to an extent.  

To take your argument in another direction, is my rating in fortnite important In the grand scheme of things? Is a high rating here indicative of success In life also?

 If chess rating correlates with success I should get better, because even at a 900ELO from where I presently stand now I life and in chess, I would be the happiest person in the world.

Batman2508
vantangler wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:
vantangler wrote:

Ratings only matter to those to whom they matter to.  I have been playing chess off and on for 30+ years and have a blitz rating of 550 - 700 and I don't care.  Used to have a rating of 1700 - 1800 and didn't care much then either.  I am happy in life, so such shallow matters do not bother me, though I will say there is an inverse relation to the attractiveness of of ones significant other(s) vs. chess proficiency.  That said, my rating still trends downwards and that is fine with me.

You think of ratings in very basic , simple ways. 

It's actually very philosophical subject.

"Shallow ratings " you say that's how you see it and I do agree sone thing are way more important in life, BUT look at this rating a different way .

Rating shows who you are as a person are you willing to work hard?  Are you motivated, are you willing to take risks and be successful?  Are you happy with who you are at the moment? 

 All that not just about rating but about every day life , why go to gym and have a good shaped body (1000+ rating ) if I'm happy with my fat belly (300+rating ) , why have a better job (1000+rating) if  happy cleaning toilets  (300+ ratig) as long as I enjoy it .etc...... 

You see my point ?  It's not about rating its about you and ratings just shows who you really are as a person same as other things in life.

 

I suppose if you gamify life into an elo rating you could compare yourself among others and see where you stand. Obvi if you are not happy with some facets you need to improve them to something you would deem acceptable, or superior or whatever.  There is also the refrain that “comparison is the thief of joy” which I do agree with to an extent.  

To take your argument in another direction, is my rating in fortnite important? Is a high rating here indicative of success In life also?

 If chess rating correlates with success I should get better, because even at a 900ELO from where I stand now, my life would be sheer bliss. 

You dont get a rating in fortnite what are you talking about? XD

jamesstack
ESP-918 wrote:
jamesstack wrote:

I remember attending a GM lecture several years ago, The subject of ratings came up and the Grandmaster said, "You shouldn't worry about your rating. You should worry about playing good chess. If you play good chess, your rating will take care of itself."

True , but same thing for me , good chess = good rating, high rating = good chess isn't ?  Same thing

In the long term...yes I agree with you but in the short term this is not necessarily true. Its possible to make all kinds of mistakes and still win or play well for most of the game and let your concentration slip for one move and either have to take a draw or actually lose the game. True..over time ones rating will reflect the true quality of ones play but it might not in the short term. The danger is if a player is constantly checking on his rating he may start playing badly because of poor short term results....taking unnecessary  risks to try to make up for the games he felt he should of won. Such a player may also start playing way too much to try to get some wins to make up for the losses.  Its also likely for these point chasing games he would be playing time controls that arent optimal for improving his play. But on the other hand if he isnt obsessing over the ups and downs of his rating, he can pursue the proper mix of playing and studying. An analogy I like to use for what I am talking about is baseball. Obviously, batters want to get a good batting average but they dont pay attention to the numbers at the early part of the season. If they have a slump they know it will be counterproductive to try harder to get hits by taking unnecessary risks or altering their swing. They know if they play baseball the right way the numbers will be there by the end of the season....after all there are 162 games in a season.

jamesstack
Tonya_Harding wrote:

I'll add, the said GM who bragged about, ratings don't matter, sure doesn't have a problem with playing A or B tournament, nor has any problem about being selected in team A or B of a Chess club. He forgot what it is to be an amateur.

assuming that was a reference to my comment......I didnt feel like he was braggging but rather giving advice. He felt like a lot of amateur players worried about their ratings too much...to the point where many players start playing badly...playing for tricks or taking too many risks in order to get some rating points back. In baseball there is a catch phrase "playing baseball the right way" Maybe chess should have something similar?

ChesswithGautham
I agree ratings do matter lol
MJBunce

Don't get me wrong. I do appreciate the rating system and how it allows you to play opponents of a similar skill level. I do enjoy tracking my progress. There are definitely benefits. But do I care that I will never be an IM or GM? No. I'm not delusional. That's not why I play. Besides, death comes to us all. Eventually, inevitably, your rating will plateau. Then what? Do you just retire from the game, like athletes do from sports? I guess you could... Or do you carry on, and continue to enjoy the competition regardless of your inevitable decline? Sure, ratings matter. But they won't bring you fulfillment forever.

jamesstack

Another interesting thing to note is some of the best players in the history of chess didnt have rating goals. Take Bobby Fischer for example......from what I have read he only had one goal to become the best player in the world and become world champion. Then when I read Mikhail Tals biography he said that when he was getting close to a master level rating he actually wasnt thinking at all about the possibility of becoming a master...that he was simply enjoying playing chess.

JamieDelarosa
vantangler wrote:

Yes I did. I was on my chess team in HS (i did ok) and really got back into chess when I got a computer in my 20s... I started off with 10min games and worked my way upwards toward what I thought were good players (ranging between 1600 - 1900 on FICS ( i hope is didn't date myself there), and ended up on the upper end of 1700s.  that was about 10 years ago. from then onward, I started my career in a professional field, and started playing blitz games, with 5 min time controls being my fav.  needless to say, my skills have atrophied into that of a barley functional potato.  I will say though, that i do enjoy an exiting CM against a 500- 700 player just as much as a laborious CM against a 1700-1800 player.  Also an a fringe bonus, i never get to endgame at this level so i don't need to deal with that silliness anymore either.  Just as fun or more IMHO.

Rule of Thumb ... the faster the time control, the lower the rating

vantangler
Batman2508 wrote:
vantangler wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:
vantangler wrote:

Ratings only matter to those to whom they matter to.  I have been playing chess off and on for 30+ years and have a blitz rating of 550 - 700 and I don't care.  Used to have a rating of 1700 - 1800 and didn't care much then either.  I am happy in life, so such shallow matters do not bother me, though I will say there is an inverse relation to the attractiveness of of ones significant other(s) vs. chess proficiency.  That said, my rating still trends downwards and that is fine with me.

You think of ratings in very basic , simple ways. 

It's actually very philosophical subject.

"Shallow ratings " you say that's how you see it and I do agree sone thing are way more important in life, BUT look at this rating a different way .

Rating shows who you are as a person are you willing to work hard?  Are you motivated, are you willing to take risks and be successful?  Are you happy with who you are at the moment? 

 All that not just about rating but about every day life , why go to gym and have a good shaped body (1000+ rating ) if I'm happy with my fat belly (300+rating ) , why have a better job (1000+rating) if  happy cleaning toilets  (300+ ratig) as long as I enjoy it .etc...... 

You see my point ?  It's not about rating its about you and ratings just shows who you really are as a person same as other things in life.

 

I suppose if you gamify life into an elo rating you could compare yourself among others and see where you stand. Obvi if you are not happy with some facets you need to improve them to something you would deem acceptable, or superior or whatever.  There is also the refrain that “comparison is the thief of joy” which I do agree with to an extent.  

To take your argument in another direction, is my rating in fortnite important? Is a high rating here indicative of success In life also?

 If chess rating correlates with success I should get better, because even at a 900ELO from where I stand now, my life would be sheer bliss. 

You dont get a rating in fortnite what are you talking about?

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lol.... if you look up you will see a point zipping over your head.   That is what I was talking about.

 

FizzyBand

"rating don't matter" to people with low ratings just like "grades don't matter" to people with bad grades

vantangler
FizzyBand wrote:

"rating don't matter" to people with low ratings just like "grades don't matter" to people with bad grades

 

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One could argue that grades actually do matter as society writ large values them more than chess ratings.  Concerning the chess rating mattering or not to an individual is an issue of being honest with yourself and others.  No one else cares about a persons chess rating except other chess players who value chess ratings.