If the Bible and it's contents was only for a paticular people/time...then why are we still quoting it?
Bill Cosby and Chess
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macer75 wrote:
shell_knight wrote:
Naa, I listened to some interviews and some amateur videos of Fischer talking about different subjects. Maybe he wasn't too crazy in his youth (although I think you can make a case for it), but he was definitely crazy later in life.
How do you define "crazy"? We've been conditioned to think of certain socially unacceptable behaviors, thoughts, etc as crazy, but... so what? So what if people think that he's crazy? That's simply other people using their standards and societal norms to judge him.
I agree what's sane vs crazy overlaps with what's socially acceptable and unacceptable. There are instances in both cases where I disagree with e.g. the DSM-IV
But I also believe there exist mental states that can be objectively labeled as deficient on their own merits, and unrelated to social context. Some of Fischer's assumptions about the world were not logical, and he did not address reasonable arguments against those assumptions when they were presented. He either ignored them, or talked around them without addressing them directly. So IMO his putting that much faith in an apparently unsupportable worldview is "crazy" or maybe we can just say "mentally deficient."
Although I want to mention, assuming those assumptions are true, some of his arguments afterwards impressed me as really very logical and good. From the little I've seen my honest impression is that he was very intelligent.
jesterville wrote:
If the Bible and it's contents was only for a paticular people/time...then why are we still quoting it?
Hey, at least we're just spinning it to fit the current social and moral standards (which are, IMO clearly, above those of that time) and we're done with (well, for the time being I suppose) with removing whole books. But I suppose as it's always been, it's a work in progress. Who knows what another 100 years will bring. Which books do you think they'll remove next ;)
Nov 24, 2014
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I played Bill Cosby in chess once.
I came out of the opening great.
Then he left the room and came back with some coffee. and after that, my game started unravel......
The man is in his 70's. Some of those accusations go back 50 yrs. I can't deal with the Bible, too big, too old. I'm trying to tackle Robert Jordan's "Wheel Of Time". Its only 15 books
Its like Tolkien times 4
shell_knight wrote:
macer75 wrote:
shell_knight wrote:
Naa, I listened to some interviews and some amateur videos of Fischer talking about different subjects. Maybe he wasn't too crazy in his youth (although I think you can make a case for it), but he was definitely crazy later in life.
How do you define "crazy"? We've been conditioned to think of certain socially unacceptable behaviors, thoughts, etc as crazy, but... so what? So what if people think that he's crazy? That's simply other people using their standards and societal norms to judge him.
I agree what's sane vs crazy overlaps with what's socially acceptable and unacceptable. There are instances in both cases where I disagree with e.g. the DSM-IV
But I also believe there exist mental states that can be objectively labeled as deficient on their own merits, and unrelated to social context. Some of Fischer's assumptions about the world were not logical, and he did not address reasonable arguments against those assumptions when they were presented. He either ignored them, or talked around them without addressing them directly. So IMO his putting that much faith in an apparently unsupportable worldview is "crazy" or maybe we can just say "mentally deficient."
Although I want to mention, assuming those assumptions are true, some of his arguments afterwards impressed me as really very logical and good. From the little I've seen my honest impression is that he was very intelligent.
I disagree. The idea of somebody being "mentally deficient" is in itself a function of social contexts, as something is only deficient when compared with something else that is supposedly superior. Whether or not something is logical or reasonable is, in opinion, entirely subjective. Something is perceived to be "logical" if it makes sense in the heads of a majority of people; however, who's the say that they are necessarily right (and who's to say that such a thing as "right" exists? - but that's a whole other debate)? It's possible that something makes sense because of a collective mental flaw; for instance, the generally accepted idea in earlier days, which was also supposedly proven by science, that the earth was flat (assuming that the current model of a round earth is "correct," which I've never checked for myself).
@macer
I mean something more elemental like syllogistic. Fischer claims A because of B. I say ok but what about B in relation to C? And he says In regards to D, B is just fine... ok but what about C? Answer: In regards to E, B is just fine.
But in general, theoretically / philosophically yes. I can't be sure you exist, or if knowledge is real, and all sorts of stuff. How do I know the voices schizophrenics hear aren't real, and we're all just deaf? And the lesion on the brain that cuts off blood flow... maybe blood is a poison, and the "scarred tissue" is healing them.
Sure, lots of fun stuff like that. But I still believe there are certain verifiable pieces of knowledge. And I can only truly believe what makes sense to me. If someone believes irrational things or hears things that aren't there according to let's say electronic devices as well as humans, then there is something wrong with them.
shell_knight wrote:
@macer
I mean something more elemental like syllogistic. Fischer claims A because of B. I say ok but what about B in relation to C? And he says In regards to D, B is just fine... ok but what about C? Answer: In regards to E, B is just fine.
But in general, theoretically / philosophically yes. I can't be sure you exist, or if knowledge is real, and all sorts of stuff. How do I know the voices schizophrenics hear aren't real, and we're all just deaf? And the lesion on the brain that cuts off blood flow... maybe blood is a poison, and the "scarred tissue" is healing them.
Sure, lots of fun stuff like that. But I still believe there are certain verifiable pieces of knowledge. And I can only truly believe what makes sense to me.
Yeah, I guess I would say the same about myself. For me, it makes sense that nothing is completely, 100%, without a doubt verifiable, including even my own existence.
macer75 wrote:
Yeah, I guess I would say the same about myself. For me, it makes sense that nothing is completely, 100%, without a doubt verifiable.
Intellectually I agree, but practically I don't think people can live their lives that way :) We all use faith / assumptions to get by day to day.
macer75 wrote:
Yeah, I guess I would say the same about myself. For me, it makes sense that nothing is completely, 100%, without a doubt verifiable, including even my own existence.
This is a hard one to argue though. Notice you start your sentence with "for me" so already you're assuming you are a thing. Try to think of something assuming you don't exist... and as soon as you think of something you've proven yourself wrong :p Thus the "I think therefore I am" by Descartes.
Your body, mind, spirit, whatever, sure, that may not exist, but something that just had that thought "in your head" does.
Nov 25, 2014
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jesterville wrote:
Saying that someone is "crazy" or "mentally ill" or "a terrible person" is a ploy that's commonly used when we disagree with someone's opinions. Does not the Bible say "Judge not lest you be judged."
LOL...I find it very funny when people start quoting the Bible.
The Bible also said-
1. If you work on a Sunday...you should be killed.
2. If you are Homo...you should be killed.
3. If you do not obey your parents...you should be killed.
....so why are we true believers not following what the Bible says?
Where does it say those things? Chapter and verse please!
j_day wrote:
zembrianator wrote:
j_day wrote:
Bobby Fischer raped me.
You should create a chess group.
I'll call it the USSR.
lol
Dr.Frank--Try Leviticus 20:13 for the death to homos scripture. Same book, 20:10 if you want to find the biblical "kill the adulterers" (both of them,and I guess if they were gay adulterers you'd have to kill 'em both twice!)
My KJV Leviticus 23:28-30 substitutes "his soul will I destroy" for shall be killed to deal with one who works on Sabbath. (Fate worse than death?)
Leviticus 19:19 for the wool/cloth mix garments proscription 19:27 for forbidding shaving, 19:28 forbidding tattoos, tho they seem to not carry automatic death penalties.
This must be the premium site for knocking Bobby the Fish.
I like Fish.
Anyway, onto the subject of Bill Cosby .... Worst dancer ever!
Iluvsmetuna wrote:
This must be the premium site for knocking Bobby the Fish.
I like Fish.
Anyway, onto the subject of Bill Cosby .... Worst dancer ever!
I think that Bill Cosby always tried to be funny and in this video clip you can see that he has talent but is not using it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t2wHdxeUKY
The worst dancer that I have ever seen is a female lesbian that admitted her tendency, I will not name her as you never know about lawsuits as it did happen with posted comments on the internet and I have no money to pay for this.
Anyhow in her show she alweays dances and it makes me sick as she is walking all of the time up and down the stairs no hip moves. With the millions of dollars she makes in a year she can afford a 30 minutes lesson a month and learn how to dance.
This young girl could show her to dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavy9X6Cno4
Saying that someone is "crazy" or "mentally ill" or "a terrible person" is a ploy that's commonly used when we disagree with someone's opinions. Does not the Bible say "Judge not lest you be judged."
LOL...I find it very funny when people start quoting the Bible.
The Bible also said-
1. If you work on a Sunday...you should be killed.
2. If you are Homo...you should be killed.
3. If you do not obey your parents...you should be killed.
....so why are we true believers not following what the Bible says?
What's funnier is people who have never read the bible taking quotes out of context out of context yet thinking they know "what the bible says."
Can you please elaborate on who those laws are supposed to apply to, for which period do they apply, in what circumstances do they apply, and whether or not they still apply? This is all common knowledge for people who have read the bible like I'm sure you have.