Bishops are not better than Knights

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Avatar of stuntmanxxx

Grandmasta 23 just because u show a game with superior bishops doesnt mean there arnt games out there with superior knights ...and btw iv see far moore games when the knight had more leathel attacks than bishops it seems to me when knighs gets on the attack they are the hardest pieces to stop ... simply because of there superior movement ... like i said before not even a queen can move in the way of a knight ... a Queen can move like a bishop, and a rook but not a Knight ... what does that tell You

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BorgQueen wrote:

There's a chap at my club who swears that knights are far superior to bishops!  You threaten his knight with a bishop and he almost always moves it!  lol

So is that a vulnerability or a superiority ? .....lol

This is precisely why I contend that the right piece for the position is best, aside from the mathematics of the position...

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I just think about it like this:

Rook: Restricts king in endgame, can checkmate in R+K VS K

Knight: Low range, makes up for it with unique movement

Two Knights: Cannot checkmate a king in endgame

Bishop: Can box out a Knight, can only touch 50% of the board, long range

Two Bishops: Can touch all the Board, can checkmate king in endgame

So I conclude that: Two Bishops are way better than two Knights, but it only counts in the endgame.

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Two knights can checkmate a king, it's just not forced.

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Scottrf wrote:

Two knights can checkmate a king, it's just not forced.

Yeah, but that almost never happens, only if the king happens to be in the perfect place.

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I know that is just an example of superior bishop I would post a game about superior knights I just happen to have this game ready

Avatar of sirrichardburton

I think it is largely like openings, the important thing isn't what is theoritically better but what you are more comfortable using. There are players who are better with there knights and others who make better use of their bishops. I think most players have a preference between these two pieces.For me if there are two minor pieces left i would prefer the bishop pair but if there is only one minor picece I would prefer it to be the knight. Of course there's the old "all things being equal" disclaimer which i will toss in. 

Avatar of Martin0

3 knights vs 1 knight can force mate, while 2 knights cannot force mate. 2 bishops can win against 1 knight if we exclude the 50-move rule (necessary for some positions). Now I'm talking about perfect play (tablebases) here and not what weak players like me can do. I can barely win with Queen vs Rook or with Knight+Bishop vs king

Avatar of shepi13

My biggest problem with QvR is the second rank defense, which no one at my level knows. So I usually can win it.

Avatar of sisu

Let's make it happen!

Avatar of NimzoRoy

CORRECTION: A pair of Kts can't FORCE checkmate, BUT they can mate if Black isn't careful and they can force mate if Black has a pawn. So there!

Avatar of madhacker

Knights are good in blitz chess...

Avatar of NicholasFooJinSau

no way!

Avatar of NicholasFooJinSau

knights are better in closed spaces than bishops,as they can jump over other pieces(or,speaking in chess language,they are leapers.)

Avatar of WinningYourQueen

It depends on the position. Don't be dogmatic.

Avatar of NicholasFooJinSau

Bishops are better at open spaces.

Avatar of NicholasFooJinSau

that is what i meant.

Avatar of Scottrf

Forget bishops vs knights, I think at this point my bishop was better than his rook.

Avatar of xxvalakixx

I am going to tell you a "secret". A piece's power is determined by how many  squares it can control. If a piece controls more square than another one, that piece is stronger. It works in general, and in a real game situation as well. 
Generally a queen is stronger than all other pieces. Because the queen controls more squares. The rook is stronger than a knight or a bishop generally, because it controls more squares. Pieces are stronger than pawns, because they control more squares. And yes, in general a bishop is stronger than a knight, because it controls more squares. If you compare, in the center the bishop controls 13 squares, a knight controls 8 squares. So it is unquestionable that in GENERAL the bishop is stronger. (By the way, the rook anywhere controls 14 squares, so in general the bishop is closer to a rook than to a knight in activity)

However, it is only in general. In a real game, pieces activity is still determined by how many squares it controls. The example above is very good. It is true that the rook is stronger than a bishop in general, but in that situation, the rook controls only 2 squares, while the bishop controls, 10 squares, so the bishop is much stronger there.
 

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"I am going to tell you a "secret". A piece's power is determined by how many  squares it can control. If a piece controls more square than another one, that piece is stronger"

Don't agree. Also depends which squares it controls. And how it moves.