Online Chess and Real Chess Rules are different ?! Seriously??

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rishabh11great

Hey there, we see that there was a huge Controversy in the game between Carlsen and Alireza, Alireza was three pawns up and had a completely winning position but sadly he ran out of time. Carlsen only had a bishop and so Alireza claimed that it should be a draw, however but Alexander Grishchuk said that a mate is possible if Alireza helps him by promoting to a knight and taking his king to the corner.

 

But my question is the if there is a position where mate is NOT POSSIBLE even if one side helps the other and runs out of time, it should be a draw. But still White is considered as winner, why is it like that? SEE THE POSITION BELOW :

 

There should be a new rule that such positions where checkmate is never possible even if 1 side helps  should be considered a draw if 1 side runs out of time.

VijaySrini

This rule is quite confusing... Fide follows this but chess. Com doesn't and another site does follow the rule... Maybe firouzja was confused as he plays most of the time online

rishabh11great

Yeah but see the position which I mentioned at last, its a dead draw.

 

VijaySrini

There are two kings?! 

VijaySrini

But if there is no mate possible then it is not a loss for the side who got flagged, no one said like that

rishabh11great

Sorry, I made some mistake in the position.

 

rishabh11great

Now, I have updated it, check it now.

rishabh11great
VijaySrini wrote:

But if there is no mate possible then it is not a loss for the side who got flagged, no one said like that

The FIDE rule is like if one runs out of time but his opponent can never checkmate him, its a draw.

VijaySrini

Yep

rishabh11great

Yeah , today I just thought , thought and thought , that what happens when such things happen and so decided to create a thread. I make forums only for Discussing Chess.

teju17
VijaySrini wrote:

This rule is quite confusing... Fide follows this but chess. Com doesn't and another site does follow the rule... Maybe firouzja was confused as he plays most of the time online

wait fide which online what?

im confused does fide follown the law that if no checkmate is possible then itds draw?

VijaySrini

Yes I guess

teju17

sad for alireza

 

teju17

its happened to me in chess.om too

once i had like 5 sec and winning and opponent was losing but not until like 30 moves so sacrificed all my pieces and made it a draw it was crazy to believe i di that but i had to ill search for link.

Steven-ODonoghue

In the position shown in the original post, it would be an immediate draw under FIDE rules, no need for anyone to run out of time. No series of legal moves could lead to checkmate therefore the game would be over immediately.

However on chess.com one side could win if the other side flags since both sides still have "sufficient material", USCF also uses these rules.

teju17

its just kinda wrong they should come on a single agree ment

rishabh11great

Yes, but thats the thing that chess.com should also follow FIDE rules, First of all, we lose 0.1 seconds after everymoves even WHEN WE PREMOVE.  And so thats one of the biggest disadvantages.

teju17

yeah

 

thanveerahamed28
rishabh11great wrote:

Hey there, we see that there was a huge Controversy in the game between Carlsen and Alireza, Alireza was three pawns up and had a completely winning position but sadly he ran out of time. Carlsen only had a bishop and so Alireza claimed that it should be a draw, however but Alexander Grishchuk said that a mate is possible if Alireza helps him by promoting to a knight and taking his king to the corner.

 

 

But my question is the if there is a position where mate is NOT POSSIBLE even if one side helps the other and runs out of time, it should be a draw. But still White is considered as winner, why is it like that? SEE THE POSITION BELOW :

 

There should be a new rule that such positions where checkmate is never possible even if 1 side helps  should be considered a draw if 1 side runs out of time.

 The position you mentioned, it is indeed a draw as per the fide rules.

rishabh11great

Yes, so even if 1 side runs out of time its still a draw according to FIDE rules. But in online chess, its a win for the opponent of the persnon who runs out of time. And this is what I am saying?