Blitz and Bullet are not chess

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Nennerb
ChessOfficial2016 wrote:

UltraBullet (15 seconds) and HyperBullet (30 seconds) is not real chess.

lol

Nennerb
PunchboxNET wrote:
I don’t like bullet because I can’t think and I lose to lower rated players just making cheap premoves to make me lose on time.

Bullet tests your instincts and familiarity with various positions. Cheap premoves only hurt when you're too slow. That said, 2|1 might as well be blitz and 1|0 is true bullet chess. |30 and below are for the crazy.

Nennerb

Rapid develops one's thinking skills, but it is bad at providing adequate experience

Nennerb
DigitalWarfare wrote:

??? You can't really believe that can you? Nobody has ever made such a statement before lol. How can some of you be SO clueless? You're a 1384. You're not going to improve at all if you just keep sitting around playing bullet. I mean, every single player in the world of chess but you seems to know this lol.

I never said rapid doesn't help you improve at chess. Rapid helps you improve your overall chess ability, which is why I said that rapid helps one improve their thinking skills.


That said, whereas you might play one game in 15|10 and get one position, in 1|0, you could play 10+ games and 10+ positions. There should not be any doubt that rapid provides less exposure to players than blitz and bullet. Hence I said rapid fails to provide adequate experience-- yes, rapid helps one become a better player overall, but blitz and bullet give players multiple opportunities to be in a position in a given time while rapid may only allow one opportunity in that time.


Also, I am offended that you dismissed my statement as just me being clueless. My statement essentially said that rapid makes one a better player but doesn't give them many chances to play games as blitz or bullet. I fail to see how that equates to bullet being the significantly better time control. Rapid and bullet go hand in hand; they both provide valuable tools for one to be a better player. For example, if you look at my stats, you'll see that my rapid rating experienced a significant bump at the same time I was playing bullet the most (Apr 18, 2021)


I'm not saying that bullet is inherently better than rapid, or vice versa (as some have)-- I am simply arguing in defense of blitz and bullet as valid forms of chess.

eric0022
ChessOfficial2016 wrote:

UltraBullet (15 seconds) and HyperBullet (30 seconds) is not real chess.

 

Ok got it! I will only play 10-second control games from now on since you only mentioned that 15 second and 30 second control games are not real chess.

eric0022
Grobula wrote:

Play bullet.

Do not play silver bullet.

I would not like this.

 

Platinum bullet maybe?

eric0022
JijoAttumalilJose wrote:

Bullet is bullet, blitz is blitz and chess is chess.

 

Then what are rapid and standard?

GM_Jakaria

Personaly I dont play bullet chess on chess.com. Imagine that your ping is 1000 ms and you are playing 1 minutes bullet game on chess.com. This is kind a 10 second vs 1 minutes. Also I hate chess.com's clock system. 

AunTheKnight
GM_Jakaria wrote:

Personaly I dont play bullet chess on chess.com. Imagine that your ping is 1000 ms and you are playing 1 minutes bullet game on chess.com. This is kind a 10 second vs 1 minutes. Also I hate chess.com's clock system. 

Clock system? You hate the universally used time system?

IMKeto

Of course blitz and bullet are chess.  For some they are fun to play, for others its something to do.  I see nothing wrong with playing speed chess, depending on what your goals are. 

ericthatwho

Look at Maggie C. Blitz and Draws(s)

GM_Jakaria
AunTheKnight wrote:
GM_Jakaria wrote:

Personaly I dont play bullet chess on chess.com. Imagine that your ping is 1000 ms and you are playing 1 minutes bullet game on chess.com. This is kind a 10 second vs 1 minutes. Also I hate chess.com's clock system. 

Clock system? You hate the universally used time system?

Nope, I didn't mean that.I said someone play with 2500 ms ping and some one play with 25 ms ping. So the man who play with 2500 ms ping lost 2.5 seconds on each move. That' why server ("chess.com's clock system") should give him some time. I hope you understand.


 

AunTheKnight
GM_Jakaria wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
GM_Jakaria wrote:

Personaly I dont play bullet chess on chess.com. Imagine that your ping is 1000 ms and you are playing 1 minutes bullet game on chess.com. This is kind a 10 second vs 1 minutes. Also I hate chess.com's clock system. 

Clock system? You hate the universally used time system?

Nope, I didn't mean that.I said someone play with 2500 ms ping and some one play with 25 ms ping. So the man who play with 2500 ms ping lost 2.5 seconds on each move. That' why server ("chess.com's clock system") should give him some time. I hope you understand.


 

Ooh. I kind of get it. Chess.com gives a little time refund for lag, but I see your point.

GM_Jakaria
Nennerb wrote

Pure chess is chess without time controls. 

Without time control?

dude0812
backwardinduction wrote:

Unless you have a really high rating and fast mind, blitz and bullet are not chess at all. I have watch several fast games here on chess.com and find that blitz and bullet are way more popular than standard game. In most blitz and bullet games, even high rating players make stupid moves so frequently, the only thing matters is time. Although some players are so good that they can make checkmate in 5 seconds, most players can not do that at all. So far as I see, chess is a game that need careful thinking and careful thinking takes time. Moving pieces just to see who can move faster is kind of childish, this make chess ugly. I suggest chess.com forbid those players whose rating lower than 2200 playing blitz or bullet.

People play chess for fun. If people want to play blitz and bullet, they will play blitz and bullet. It is irrelevant whether they are playing good chess or not, or whether their chess looks ugly or not. They are playing chess for fun and pleasure, they are not playing chess so that you (or anyone else) enjoys their games. Chess is a hobby, something people do in their free time. People do what they enjoy in their free time, if they enjoy blitz and bullet chess then they will do that. Chess is defined by the rules, bullet chess is chess. Period. Even if it wasn't chess, you can call it idiot-chess if you want. If people like playing idiot-chess then they should play idiot-chess. The only thing that matters is if they enjoy it or not. Chess is not science. There is no good for society if you know how to play chess well. If you think blitz or bullet chess are a waste of time, I have a bridge to sell you because all chess is a waste of time from that point of you. Chess is a pointless thing to do unless you enjoy it. Enjoyment is the only value that chess has. Playing good chess won't make hospitals, brides, it won't bring food to the table. Classical chess, slow chess, blitz chess, neither one of those has any value other than enjoyment and entertainment.  

GM_Jakaria

If you master in opening and endgame then Bullet is easy for you.

dude0812
backwardinduction wrote:

 In most blitz and bullet games, even high rating players make stupid moves so frequently, the only thing matters is time. Although some players are so good that they can make checkmate in 5 seconds, most players can not do that at all. So far as I see, chess is a game that need careful thinking and careful thinking takes time. Moving pieces just to see who can move faster is kind of childish, this make chess ugly. I suggest chess.com forbid those players whose rating lower than 2200 playing blitz or bullet.

It doesn't matter whether you or anyone else finds blitz and bullet chess ugly or not. If people playing blitz and bullet find it fun then they should play it. "Chess is a game which needs careful thinking". No, chess doesn't "need" careful thinking. You can play chess however you want. If you want to play like an idiot then play like an idiot. Also, no matter how much you concentrate, no matter how careful you are, you will play trashy. By your logic nobody should play chess except for super computers. Because every human plays trash and "ugly" compared to supercomputers. Again, people don't play chess because they want others (people like you) to find them pretty. People play chess because they like playing chess. There is aboslutely no benefit for the real world if everyone plays better chess. Chess is useless in real world. Chess does not build infrastructure. Chess won't increase food production. Chess is a pleasure, enjoyment activity and nothing else.

AunTheKnight
GM_Jakaria wrote:
Nennerb wrote

Pure chess is chess without time controls. 

Without time control?

Yes. “Time control” means the time for each player. For example, G 30.

Lastrank
GM_Jakaria wrote:

If you master in opening and endgame then Bullet is easy for you.

I agree with the first part of this but not the second.  By the time an endgame is reached, if an endgame is reached, there is little time left.

AunTheKnight
Lastrank wrote:
GM_Jakaria wrote:

If you master in opening and endgame then Bullet is easy for you.

I agree with the first part of this but not the second.  By the time an endgame is reached, if an endgame is reached, there is little time left.

Some people at my level in bullet are super trade happy and we reach an endgame before either of us reaches 30 seconds.