TheBigDecline wrote:
Well, and now he's dead.
Well, some day we will all hit the big decline.
Good pics. Too bad for Bobby, so much potential to be a really revered chess figure, instead of the Karpov-ducking semi-nut legacy he wound up with.
Bobby Fischer: How the king of chess lost his crown
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Apr 30, 2013
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He did not duck Karpov; he just did not play him. He felt like he could make even crazier demands since he was champ. FIDE did not blink, and that was that. He did not need money and had nothing to prove.
Apr 30, 2013
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#24
Very interesting thread here, needless to say the name of Fischer comes up a lot in these forums. When I think of Fischer it is rather sad to remember the way that he became in his middle age and beyond. However it is interesting to go over to Youtube and watch his interview on the Dick Cavett Show that was done while Fischer was still quite young. It is so very surprising that he seems quite normal while on televsion with Cavett. One cannot help but wonder how things might have turned out had Fischer stayed immersed in the world of Chess.
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Chess will never teach the balance that Fischer needed in his life because it does not teach that. It teaches how to survive when faced with in your face constant opposition of tactics. I suspect that if Fischer had been exposed to Go, or wei-chi, not only would he have excelled, his life would have been a much better one and he would be alive today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)
Apr 30, 2013
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kantifields wrote:
He did not duck Karpov; he just did not play him. He felt like he could make even crazier demands since he was champ. FIDE did not blink, and that was that. He did not need money and had nothing to prove.
choosing not to defend your title is ducking... he was scared to lose and karpov would have crushed him.
zazen5 wrote:
Chess will never teach the balance that Fischer needed in his life because it does not teach that. It teaches how to survive when faced with in your face constant opposition of tactics. I suspect that if Fischer had been exposed to Go, or wei-chi, not only would he have excelled, his life would have been a much better one and he would be alive today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)
A different board game, with different rules, instead of chess...yes obviously thats all he needed. All that learning how to move a knight business, it messes with your head.
And just think of all the other grandmasters who were unbalanced and insane, like Karpov, Kasparov, Carlsen, Kramnik, Anand, Aronin, Gelfand,Shirov, Morozevich, etc.
Apr 30, 2013
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#29
Inconnux wrote:
kantifields wrote:
He did not duck Karpov; he just did not play him. He felt like he could make even crazier demands since he was champ. FIDE did not blink, and that was that. He did not need money and had nothing to prove.
choosing not to defend your title is ducking... he was scared to lose and karpov would have crushed him.
Karpov himself did not assess his chances as do. Karpov would have lost. Korchnoi exposed him, but was not good enough to beat him. Especially when they were holding his (Korchnoi) famiy hostage during his match.
Well, lets say more broadly he ducked in general to defend his title. Even implicitly, by particiapting in any touernaments after winning it. As a champion, he was a no-show, there can be no controversy about that.
Fischer should have played Karpov
Why are so many overlooking that Fischer refused to play Karpov ?
He refused not because he was afraid. To the contrary, after his win in Reykjavik he became arrogant, he believed, he could dictate the conditions.
What about his outrageous remarks about September 11, and those against jews ?
Are you overlooking, because he was the only one who was then able to challenge the Soviet dominance ?
Or is it just lack of thought ?
kantifields wrote:
Inconnux wrote:
kantifields wrote:
He did not duck Karpov; he just did not play him. He felt like he could make even crazier demands since he was champ. FIDE did not blink, and that was that. He did not need money and had nothing to prove.
choosing not to defend your title is ducking... he was scared to lose and karpov would have crushed him.
Karpov himself did not assess his chances as do. Karpov would have lost. Korchnoi exposed him, but was not good enough to beat him. Especially when they were holding his (Korchnoi) famiy hostage during his match.
This is exaggerated. Especially the words of Korchnoi: 'He (Karpov) is the prison guard of my family.'
He left the country without asking to leave. He is just one of thousands of men from the former communist countries who KNEW it is a risk to leave without the family.
Besides, he married another women abroad. His marriage in Russia was already on paper only.
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I agree, Karpov's chances in a match with a Fischer IN THE SHAPE OF REYKJAVIK would have been small.
May 1, 2013
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#36
schlechter55 wrote:
Why are so many overlooking that Fischer refused to play Karpov ?
He refused not because he was afraid. To the contrary, after his win in Reykjavik he became arrogant, he believed, he could dictate the conditions.
What about his outrageous remarks about September 11, and those against jews ?
Are you overlooking, because he was the only one who was then able to challenge the Soviet dominance ?
Or is it just lack of thought ?
My discussion of Fisher is void of politics. It is not a lack of thought. To the contrary, I am thoughtful to consider the feelings of others. There is a whole world out there. Many are victims and I don't wish to be a judge.
May 1, 2013
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#37
Fischer could have played in any number of tournaments. But instead he ran and hid. Karpov went on and showed by his tournament results that he was the #1 in reality and on paper. What did Fischer do? ... he hid.
Karpov > Fischer. I stand by my statement... Karpov would have crushed fischer... easily.
May 1, 2013
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#38
There was no top player in the world at that time who thought Karpov could defeat Fisher.
But I guess 40 years later you know better. Don't get me wrong Karpov was great.
kantifields wrote:
There was no top player in the world at that time who thought Karpov could defeat Fisher.
But I guess 40 years later you know better. Don't get me wrong Karpov was great.
They were blinded by spectacle. Now we know better.
Well, and now he's dead.