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fabelhaft

Oct 5, 2013

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#121

To the Ivanov supporters it wouldn't have mattered much if he had been tied up and had his shoes forced off, then the device would have been planted on him, or not been what it seemed to be, or some other silly explanation.

gambit-man

Oct 5, 2013

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#122

FirebrandX wrote:

fabelhaft wrote:

Yekatrinas wrote:

But I don't understand how they hesitated to get off his shoes !

And IF they thought that it would be intimidating to do it on only one player, why didn't they make a vote among all participants , that they would agree on metal detection for everyone, plus taking off everyone's shoes for all the remaining rounds ? Surely, the majority of players would have voted YES.

It could have been a good sample for future tournaments around the globe.

It was of course obvious to everyone why he refused to take his shoes off, and I don't think they had any rights to grab him and force them off him anyway.

Not to mention the fact that Dlugy had to take his shoes off as well, which he willingly did. Ivanov freaked out when they asked for his shoes, even though he'd been fine with other searches that didn't get that far. It's blatantly obvious he had no choice but to refuse to take off his shoes, or they would have found his method of cheating.

I still shake my head in disgust at people that disregard move-comparison evidence, and write in to Chessbase complaining that Ivanov is completely innocent and being unfairly targetted. Things like this just don't suddenly happen to one guy for no reason. People can choose to be ignorant about that, which seems to be the case for quite a few of them.

+1

x-5058622868

Oct 5, 2013

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#123

fabelhaft wrote:

To the Ivanov supporters it wouldn't have mattered much if he had been tied up and had his shoes forced off, then the device would have been planted on him, or not been what it seemed to be, or some other silly explanation.

I guess they might also say "a walking aid. It's a new iphone app."

fburton

Oct 5, 2013

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#124

DunnoItAll wrote:

foul play is afoot

One could also say that foul feet are aplay.

PhoenixTTD

Oct 5, 2013

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#125

fburton wrote:

DunnoItAll wrote:

foul play is afoot

One could also say that foul feet are aplay.

Both clever.

PhoenixTTD

Oct 5, 2013

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#126

Yekatrinas wrote:

In case of Ivanov the 'move-comparison method' (checking coincidence with 1st choice of Houdini) was indeed conclusive. More conclusive than a DNA fatherhood test !

What I meant where more sophisticated cheaters who would use the engine help only at some critical moments of the game. If you get 100 percent coincidence with Hodini's choice for exactly four moves in one game (not for the others), Math statistics will tell you that the probability that such a guy did not cheat is still very high.

The 4 move thing is harder but you have to remember that the theory of a strong GM cheating on 4 moves assumes it is the hardest 4 for him. They are already playing the strongest moves most of the time without the computer so they should have a much higher match than just 4. They will have to get a science for this either by defining computer moves that humans can't make, or by noting a statistically significant increase in best moves like jumping from 70% to 80%. I don't know what it will look like exactly but I have a feeling it would be combination of things starting with a large jump in performance, several moves over a few tournaments that violate principles but work on ridiculous calculation, and then aggressive detection methods authorized by waivers signed to be allowed to play.

beardogjones

Oct 5, 2013

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#127

Don't criticize a fellow until you've walked a mile in his shoes -

because then you'll be a mile away from him and he will have no shoes!

gambit-man

Oct 5, 2013

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#128

beardogjones wrote:

Don't criticize a fellow until you've walked a mile in his shoes -

because then you'll be a mile away from him and he will have no shoes!

lol, and he'll be no good without those shoes

DiogenesDue

Oct 5, 2013

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#129

Hmmm...didn't I see a Carlsen-Nakamura game posted here the other day with Carlsen matching the evaluating engine at 84% and Nakamura at 46%?

Makes you wonder... ;)

expand

Oct 5, 2013

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#130

btickler wrote:

Hmmm...didn't I see a Carlsen-Nakamura game posted here the other day with Carlsen matching the evaluating engine at 84% and Nakamura at 46%?

Makes you wonder... ;)

Carlsen and Nakamura are super GMs who have been super GMs for many years. Ivanov is a weak master that all of the sudden beats GMs with computer-like moves after many years of being a weak player. Yes, it makes me wonder how Ivanov cheats.

gambit-man

Oct 5, 2013

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#131

btickler wrote:

Hmmm...didn't I see a Carlsen-Nakamura game posted here the other day with Carlsen matching the evaluating engine at 84% and Nakamura at 46%?

Makes you wonder... ;)

1 game hardly counts for much... even a mediocre player can achieve those kind of figures every now and then for a single game.

x-5058622868

Oct 5, 2013

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#132

FirebrandX wrote:

Not to mention the fact that Dlugy had to take his shoes off as well, which he willingly did. Ivanov freaked out when they asked for his shoes, even though he'd been fine with other searches that didn't get that far. It's blatantly obvious he had no choice but to refuse to take off his shoes, or they would have found his method of cheating.

I still shake my head in disgust at people that disregard move-comparison evidence, and write in to Chessbase complaining that Ivanov is completely innocent and being unfairly targetted. Things like this just don't suddenly happen to one guy for no reason. People can choose to be ignorant about that, which seems to be the case for quite a few of them.

Sorry, but i disagree with a bit of your reasoning here. It's possible to be unfairly targeted, and having others also take off their shoes doesn't make it fair. What makes it fair is the evidence gathered on him showed something amiss. He was suspected of cheating, so a search was necessary to continue.

TheBigDecline

Oct 5, 2013

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#133

Is this the untimely end of our idol?

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4011410/ivanov-ends-his-chess-career-051013.aspx

gambit-man

Oct 5, 2013

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#134

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He'll probably make more money from the book telling us all how he did it than he ever would have from actually playing chess

DiogenesDue

Oct 5, 2013

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#135

expand wrote:

btickler wrote:

Hmmm...didn't I see a Carlsen-Nakamura game posted here the other day with Carlsen matching the evaluating engine at 84% and Nakamura at 46%?

Makes you wonder... ;)

Carlsen and Nakamura are super GMs who have been super GMs for many years. Ivanov is a weak master that all of the sudden beats GMs with computer-like moves after many years of being a weak player. Yes, it makes me wonder how Ivanov cheats.

...which is why a super-GM using such a tactic to put themselves over the top would be so dangerous...you cannot accuse them due to their playing strength; but a boost from say 2650 to 2800 while avoiding detection would be quite possible.

Not everyone is as arrogant, foolhardy, and lacking in subtlety as Ivanov.

Still, I was kidding about Carlsen. It would explain why he's so cavalier about his opening choices, though ;)...just saying.

This is just an age during which all chess results will come under scrutiny.

LoekBergman

Oct 5, 2013

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#136

btickler wrote:

expand wrote:

btickler wrote:

Hmmm...didn't I see a Carlsen-Nakamura game posted here the other day with Carlsen matching the evaluating engine at 84% and Nakamura at 46%?

Makes you wonder... ;)

Carlsen and Nakamura are super GMs who have been super GMs for many years. Ivanov is a weak master that all of the sudden beats GMs with computer-like moves after many years of being a weak player. Yes, it makes me wonder how Ivanov cheats.

...which is why a super-GM using such a tactic to put themselves over the top would be so dangerous...you cannot accuse them due to their playing strength; but a boost from say 2650 to 2800 while avoiding detection would be quite possible.

Not everyone is as arrogant, foolhardy, and lacking in subtlety as Ivanov.

I think other GMs would notice, because he will show a lack of understanding in the post mortem with respect to his level of play.

Pre_VizsIa

Oct 5, 2013

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#137

Ivanov is not back, he's going... going... gone to oblivion or infamy!

expand

Oct 5, 2013

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#138

TheBigDecline wrote:

Is this the untimely end of our idol?

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4011410/ivanov-ends-his-chess-career-051013.aspx

I hope this is the last we hear of this dirtbag.

ProfessorProfesesen

Oct 5, 2013

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#139

Savage wrote:

ProfessorProfesesen wrote:

That was some serious police work by DCI Dugy, the 'thinking type'. Also how everything was a clue, and how impartial he was after being fed by codename Kiril at dinner to 'discuss' the situation.

What is even more impressive is that the last dozen series of articles were written by Lilov's trusty manager.

In Western Journalism, or in actual real-world journalism, they would all be skinned alive for this kind of amateurish nancy drew trash. But oh no! not good old bulgaria, the last bell end of communist fairness catching up with reality. (Not to mention the nationality of the website; but let's give that a break, I couldn't hear another one of those arguments).

The main concern here is how much applause all of this backwater hee hawing is getting as it is being peddled to everyone as the beacon of trustworthy reliable balanced and fair journalism.

Ivanov refuses a draw, and Inspector Dugy's school girl histrionics is what now passes for as another piece evidence....

You can read the rest yourself....just more trash.

Does anyone understand a word of this idiot's post?

It's ok sheep...it's ok. Just play along...

ProfessorProfesesen

Oct 5, 2013

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#140

Yekatrinas wrote:

Sorry, loveyouso.... I meant of course the wannabeprofessor you have cited.

You mean to say you don't find anything wrong with the flagrantly slanted reporting on chessbase? The only source of ALL our information? Little girl open your eyes...