Borislav Ivanov strikes again!

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WalangAlam

Sooner than later. However, FIDE should come up with electronic scanners or something that matches up with cheaters. FIDE should upgrade before a lot of copycats follow.

Raja_Kentut
WalangAlam wrote:

Sooner than later. However, FIDE should come up with electronic scanners or something that matches up with cheaters. FIDE should upgrade before a lot of copycats follow.

+1

Yet I see no real effort from FIDE to combat this kind of cheaters. Ivanov is only the beginning. More will follow. These people will ruin chess.

RubiksRevenge

Just read the ChessBase report The shoe assistant – Ivanov forfeits at Blagoevgrad and see that he had been thoruoghly checked in an earlier round and if he cheats using a device in shoe, then why did metal detector not find it?

 

Tapani

My worry is that Ivanov might be only be a clown who cheats in a more obvious way, and that there are titled players doing the same -- but in a far, far less detectable way. 

WalangAlam

Thanks for the link! Now that is pretty scary if top players starts cheating! Now tournaments would feel like going through the airport everyday!

sisu

Let's make it happen!

DanielCarrapa

The possible reasons a device might not be detected in shoes are:
1-Many shoes do have metal on them and so the detector going off on the shoes is not necessarily a "proof".
2-The sensitivity of the hand held metal detector might not be that high, especially if the device/cellphone is modified in some way (metal casing taken off, or low metal batteries).
3-The device used has only traces of metal (carbon based?)
It also doesn't necessarily follow that the device/phone is in his shoes from the kind of search they made on him. They didn't take off all of his clothes, and from the description he wasn't even touched.
But the shoes are probably the easiest place...

Raja_Kentut

People read about metal detectors and immediately assume that no illegitimate metal can pass through unchecked. This is wrong.

A common security weakness is the human error. I have been to many airports around the world, I know for certain that many airports don't check your shoes. Their security personnels just wave around their metal detectors around your body and pockets, but not your shoes. Also, in some airports, they don't even make the person to walk through the metal detector gate again after a manual check, which I thought was necessary to ensure there is no additional metal left unchecked.

I have also been to places where they don't check your jackets. You just remove your coat, put it on the table along with keys, phones, and other stuffs. You walk through the metal detector gate and let them check your body. You pick up your stuffs when the check is over. They don't even check what is inside your coat.

I assume that the security in that tournament which Ivanov participated isn't perfect. The security guys are probably not informed what kind of devices they should look for, and who should be on the high-priority watch list (which in this case is Ivanov). I also sense that there is no commitment from the sponsor/organizer to make the tournament fair. It almost seem like they 'want' Ivanov to participate in this tournament.

x-5058622868
RubiksRevenge wrote:

Just read the ChessBase report The shoe assistant – Ivanov forfeits at Blagoevgrad and see that he had been thoruoghly checked in an earlier round and if he cheats using a device in shoe, then why did metal detector not find it?

 

It is likely that in the earlier round he was checked, he didn't have the device. He had lost that game.

Tapani

Theory: he uses his toes to enter the moves made on the board (in one shoe?), and there is some device returning the computers moves by tapping on the bottom of his feet (in the other shoe?). Hence the mistake with the bishop move Lilov reported (in one game he moved his bishop one square too far from Houdini's top choice, and the move made was losing).

SocialPanda
RubiksRevenge wrote:

Just read the ChessBase report The shoe assistant – Ivanov forfeits at Blagoevgrad and see that he had been thoruoghly checked in an earlier round and if he cheats using a device in shoe, then why did metal detector not find it?

 

"So before the next round the director says actually now the sponsor says they are going to search him. Petkov is going to play him in round four, and before the round starts I tell him “Look for his shoes, I’m sure it’s in his shoes, because I noticed that he is doing something peculiar with his feet. He is wearing pretty big sneakers, like the ones they would force you to take off at airports, to make sure that you are not carrying something interesting. They come back and I ask Petkov: did he have anything, and he says no, everything was fine. And Petkov proceeds to beat him. But an interesting situation: the final position against Petkov is actually dead drawn, but he just resigned. "

* As sunshiny told you, in the same article it says that Ivanov lost that game.

BTW: He said "I can´t take my socks out because they are smelly" against GM Dugly, he couldn´t have think of a better excuse than that?

Maybe he want to be know as "The Smelly Ivanov", maybe now he will avoid taking showers for days before going to tournaments.

sisu

Let's make it happen!

LoveYouSoMuch

i guess this wasn't posted yet :D

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4011410/ivanov-ends-his-chess-career-051013.aspx

the guy is amazing. he knows he is completely busted to anyone with some decent chess knowledge, so he just calls it quits and his apologists will side with him forever! he is clearly fully deserving of being called da bes.

on a side note, i can agree with the criticism of the coverage (eg, the posting of some of his personal photos in this article i just linked is ridiculous)... though, regardless of that, all the circumstantial evidence is pretty much undeniable - if you still believe he might be legit, i commend you... the world needs more trusting people.

chiaroscuro62

"i commend you... the world needs more trusting people."

So I can sell you financial products that are complete garbage.  If you believe Ivanov is not guilty, please contact me for all your financial planning needs.  Thank you.

VLaurenT
chiaroscuro62 wrote:

"i commend you... the world needs more trusting people."

So I can sell you financial products that are complete garbage.  If you believe Ivanov is not guilty, please contact me for all your financial planning needs.  Thank you.

And, incredible but true, my special deal on the Eiffel Tower is still available !!! Don't wait any more !

x-5058622868

Actually, i agree with LYSM. It's just that when the truth is unveiled, the trust should not be blind.

PhoenixTTD

This guy has the option to wash his feet and wear clean shoes to the next tournament or retire and he retires?  Anyone who thinks he wasn't cheating is as dumb as a box of rocks.  It is not hard to prove he is not cheating if he isn't.  He had the option to be tested.  He had the option to take off his shoes in private.  He chose to give up a lucrative career considering the playing strength he is supposed to have.

ProfessorProfesesen
LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

i guess this wasn't posted yet :D

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4011410/ivanov-ends-his-chess-career-051013.aspx

the guy is amazing. he knows he is completely busted to anyone with some decent chess knowledge, so he just calls it quits and his apologists will side with him forever! he is clearly fully deserving of being called da bes.

on a side note, i can agree with the criticism of the coverage (eg, the posting of some of his personal photos in this article i just linked is ridiculous)... though, regardless of that, all the circumstantial evidence is pretty much undeniable - if you still believe he might be legit, i commend you... the world needs more trusting people.

I don't believe he is legit. But I don't like the way this whole thing was carried out and the way people were pouncing on him as if they were carrying out some sort of public service by extracting their share of pound of flesh.

 What was deplorable was that anyone trying to question anything or raise any doubts about anything, either the method, the procedures, the people involved, anything whatsoever got you labelled as his  supporter.

You could not even for a second question anything but be labelled as apologists, stupid, idiots etc. The entire discourse began to sway in favor of the ones who wanted a hanging. And all this  from some of the smartest people.


waffllemaster
cookiemonster161140 wrote:

Maybe he is a cheater.

Maybe not.

I'll decide for sure when they catch him communicating with whatever engine (if any) is being used. Until then it's pretty much speculative and subjective. Statistics can be manipulated, and ever since statistics were born they're still INTERPRETED by a human. In some cases, a human with an axe to grind and/or a human who doesn't know enough about chess (for example a "C" or "B" class player) to know what they are looking at anyway.

I've had tournaments where I beat players 600-700 points higher rated, and lost to players 300 points lower IN THE SAME EVENT.

So what?

Why do you comment about things you don't know about?  Ideally you learn about the subject before you voice an opinion.  Otherwise you risk looking very stupid to those that know anything about the subject.

I don't come to sesame street and lecture you about how to eat cookies for example.

Pre_VizsIa

Lol wafflemaster!