Yes Bullet is chess
Bullet is not Real Chess
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CooloutAC wrote:
Kotshmot wrote
"But on the same token there are those who think bullet is all about playing memorized lines lmao"
Idk who this strawman is intended for but I can guarantee nobody has ever said this.
Many say that. Jimemy said as much in this very thread that you didn't bother to read. Hard to argue against that though, since its what most of the super GM's prefer to play online. Are you one of those ignorant guys that that think they all play "fake" chess to avoid cheaters and cause they dont' have enough time to play longer games? lmao.... They even have fun playing it in OTB. Its not just arm speed as an above poster facetiously claimed, its processing speed.
"Jimemy said as much in this very thread"
I went through the thread and there is no such comment. Do you have paranoia?
Bullet is for young people, old timers have their reflexes depleted through time.
How do you explain that, at least under a certain age, most people FIDE rating in evey type of time controls (outside correspondence) are comparable?
Strong bullet players are strong classical players and vice-versa.
Colin20G wrote:
Bullet is for young people, old timers have their reflexes depleted through time.
How do you explain that, at least under a certain age, most people FIDE rating in evey type of time controls (outside correspondence) are comparable?
Strong bullet players are strong classical players and vice-versa.
There are fundamentals that are same in classical and bullet chess and then there are fundementals that are very different.
Andrew tang who is ~2500 at classical will easily crush Fabiano who is ~2800 in a bullet match.
Again its subjective what you want to call "real chess" but its clear that the skill set and fundementals for classical and bullet are very different.
I know someone who is like 600 rapid who can beat me at times in bullet…because he does these weird opening tricks that target the g2 pawn
Another thing is that increment is stupid
Increment isnt real chess either
What don’t you like about increment?
Increment gives you more time every time you move. The thing is, lets say you play a 15 minute game with out increment. One player moves quickly with some inaccuracies while the other player takes a while to move and plays rock solid. In the end the player who takes a while to move times out. He may have had a winning position, but he lost because he couldn’t move fast enough. I think the strength of a chess player is to move quickly and accurately at the same time. Increment totally demolishes that talent. Im not saying it should be removed, i just think its crazy
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The thing is, lets say you play a 15 minute game without increment. Both players take a while to move and play rock solid. In the end they reach KR vs. KR and each has 5 seconds. One of them can move faster and wins.
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
Increment gives you more time every time you move. The thing is, lets say you play a 15 minute game with out increment. One player moves quickly with some inaccuracies while the other player takes a while to move and plays rock solid. In the end the player who takes a while to move times out. He may have had a winning position, but he lost because he couldn’t move fast enough. I think the strength of a chess player is to move quickly and accurately at the same time. Increment totally demolishes that talent. Im not saying it should be removed, i just think its crazy
You touch on a good point here. Anybody who says bullet is not real chess, but then says chess should be played with increments, are exposing themselves as hypocrites.
I don't like increments either but for different reasons. In my case I feel increments encourage stalling and unreasonable draws. But like you I also think its ludicrous the faster player gets time added to his clock.
Thank you
MrsClaire wrote:
Csn't say I agree. It's still chess, but on a different level. No need to be a snob about the playing times
Bullet is stupid, its just about memorizing openings and chess lines
Pete "Maverick" Mitchell from Top Gun on bullet chess:
"if you think you're dead"
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
MrsClaire wrote:
Csn't say I agree. It's still chess, but on a different level. No need to be a snob about the playing times
Bullet is stupid, its just about memorizing openings and chess lines
@Koshmot, come read this guys post and then tell me I'm paranoid again. You need to learn to be aware of whats going on around you and not walk around so blind and ignorant.
Again some people say bullet is just about memorizing lines, some say its just about fast mouse movement. Some say its both. Its all opinion, but because its so subjective imo you can't argue its not chess.
I personally don't like to play or watch bullet as a fan. I have no interest in it. But I do respect the difficulty needed to play it, especially given the fact the super GM's prefer it because imo it has the highest learning curve and widest skill gap.
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MrsClaire wrote:
True, you simply have to know your set moves, but there is also the need to be creative, and fast
Half of that statement was true, but the rest was fake news
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
MrsClaire wrote:
Csn't say I agree. It's still chess, but on a different level. No need to be a snob about the playing times
Bullet is stupid, its just about memorizing openings and chess lines
@Koshmot, come read this guys post and then tell me I'm paranoid again. You need to learn to be aware of whats going on around you and not walk around so blind and ignorant.
Again some people say bullet is just about memorizing lines, some say its just about fast mouse movement. Some say its both. Its all opinion, but because its so subjective imo you can't argue its not chess.
I personally don't like to play or watch bullet as a fan. I have no interest in it. But I do respect the difficulty needed to play it, especially given the fact the super GM's prefer it because imo it has the highest learning curve and widest skill gap.
not true
Nepo said as much during the WCC. now I guess its debateable how difficult it is to play since I have no experience playing it myself. But it certainly is hard for me to follow whats going on in a bullet game as a fan. You also can't argue that it doesn't have the widest skill gap or that the super GM's can consistently dominate most in that time format implying it has a huge learning curve. Especially when we see many top classical OTB players crumble when trying to play it online with no experience in it.
Bullet is difficult to play because not everyone has the chance to memorize openings and chess lines
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
FA-18_SuperHornet2007 wrote:
MrsClaire wrote:
Csn't say I agree. It's still chess, but on a different level. No need to be a snob about the playing times
Bullet is stupid, its just about memorizing openings and chess lines
@Koshmot, come read this guys post and then tell me I'm paranoid again. You need to learn to be aware of whats going on around you and not walk around so blind and ignorant.
Again some people say bullet is just about memorizing lines, some say its just about fast mouse movement. Some say its both. Its all opinion, but because its so subjective imo you can't argue its not chess.
I personally don't like to play or watch bullet as a fan. I have no interest in it. But I do respect the difficulty needed to play it, especially given the fact the super GM's prefer it because imo it has the highest learning curve and widest skill gap.
not true
Nepo said as much during the WCC. now I guess its debateable how difficult it is to play since I have no experience playing it myself. But it certainly is hard for me to follow whats going on in a bullet game as a fan. You also can't argue that it doesn't have the widest skill gap or that the super GM's can consistently dominate most in that time format implying it has a huge learning curve. Especially when we see many top classical OTB players crumble when trying to play it online with no experience in it.
Bullet is difficult to play because not everyone has the chance to memorize openings and chess lines
Fast movement is a skill as well though. Although I can't argue with what you said. Magnus Carlsen himself said intuition comes from experience and knowledge. But your claim means bullet is chess which is the topic of this thread. Whether we like it or not.
bullet is chess whether i like it or not, and all it takes to have fast hand movements is to have some killer hands and a killer mouse
Jul 11, 2022
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@jalex13 I’ve been thinking about this and despite the facts that the board, the pieces, and the rules are the same as I pointed before, bullet wouldn’t be real chess in most of occasions because in bullet it is harder to find the truth in the position and truth is what is real
bullet moves become then a mere opinion and not the truth
truth in the positions still can be found -even in bullet- but it requires a higher level of mastery
Of course it is. Thinking is not required, nor knowledge- there are more important things, like a good mouse and a fast pipe.