Bravo...this thread is getting feisty.
netzach:
The U.S.A. is actually a constitutional republic. The representatives are democratically elected. But call it whatever, the entire system is flawed and corrupt. Politicians are cronyists and egoists.
Say...my wife and I visited the Mainland of the Orkneys.
And here is something else for you netzach:
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml
U.S. - 7
Scotland - 58
Not the point he was ill & american actions intensified that. Am sure Iceland disagreed with his outlandish opinions yet they accepted him with grace & humanity whereas america cast him out.
He hated the U.S. late in his life after the US gov't tried to prevent him from playing against Spassky in what was termed a rematch of their WCC. All I was doing is pointing out that Fischer, while he was an American and while he loved the country, won the WCC and raised the levels of compensation for elite chess players by staggering amounts. And he did it without the financial support of his government, while his Soviet counterparts did not have that challenge
And here is something else for you netzach:
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml
U.S. - 7
Scotland - 58
Are you so dense as to misunderstand I am speaking of US chess in global terms not in comparison to a tiny country of only 5-million populace ?
And here is something else for you netzach:
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml
U.S. - 7
Scotland - 58
Are you so dense as to misunderstand I am speaking of US chess in global terms not in comparison to a tiny country of only 5-million populace ?
You are correct. I missed the point that on global terms the US is ranked 7 out of 196 countries on this planet. Thank you for correcting me on that.
I also missed where you asked why the U.S. was getting destroyed by tiny EU countries and then acted confused that I compared it to a tiny EU nation.
You have no argument with me that Fischer was treated badly by *the US gov't* but the point of my comment was to say why America lagged in chess development (no state support) and that, even with that handicap, we turned out one of the greatest chess players ever. You can shift gears 30-40 years forward, but it doesn't refute what I said
Bravo...this thread is getting feisty.
netzach:
The U.S.A. is actually a constitutional republic. The representatives are democratically elected. But call it whatever, the entire system is flawed and corrupt. Politicians are cronyists and egoists.
Say...my wife and I visited the Mainland of the Orkneys.
Well I think e4n if the US wishes to continue to celebrate BF's world-championship success as american-achievement they should posthumously restore his US citizenship, recognise he was ill at the time & honour him. It was after all a historical-time of US communist-paranoia & is irrelevant in 2012.
Isn't that the funny thing about it? 
Both his hero status and his demonized status were on the basis of idiotic nationalistic sentiment. Both extremes are uninteresting sentiments to me.
My 2 cents.
You have no argument with me that Fischer was treated badly by *the US gov't* but the point of my comment was to say why America lagged in chess development (no state support) and that, even with that handicap, we turned out one of the greatest chess players ever. You can shift gears 30-40 years forward, but it doesn't refute what I said
What did you say ? I cannot follow you at all. Perhaps you could succinctly state what it is you are trying to speak of ??
It's pretty clear, netzach old bean, try re-reading it:)
Not all Americans approve of the way Fischer was persecuted in the last years of his life. I find it shameful myself . His persecution certainly lends more weight to his outrageous/hateful claims imo than anything else .
It's pretty clear, netzach old bean, try re-reading it:)
I have & still nonsensical. If you cannot express your views clearly & accurately then I refuse to respond to you.
Bravo...this thread is getting feisty.
netzach:
The U.S.A. is actually a constitutional republic. The representatives are democratically elected. But call it whatever, the entire system is flawed and corrupt. Politicians are cronyists and egoists.
Say...my wife and I visited the Mainland of the Orkneys.
I am thrilled to see that there are still people who realize that the US is not and never has been a democracy ! They taught this in school in the 50s and 60s, but apparently dont teach this anymore. The US founders were opposed to a democracy and founded a constitutional republic instead .
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -Thomas Jefferson
Not all Americans approve of the way Fischer was persecuted in the last years of his life. I find it shameful myself . His persecution certainly lends more weight to his outrageous/hateful claims imo than anything else .
What I am trying to suggest Reb is that america (still) has the chance to put right some of these wrongs today ?
netzach wrote:
chesspooljuly13 wrote:
It's pretty clear, netzach old bean, try re-reading it:)
I have & still nonsensical. If you cannot express your views clearly & accurately then I refuse to respond to you.
More like your argument's busted and you're desperately seeking an escape hatch. It's Ok; I understand:)
netzach wrote:
chesspooljuly13 wrote:
It's pretty clear, netzach old bean, try re-reading it:)
I have & still nonsensical. If you cannot express your views clearly & accurately then I refuse to respond to you.
More like your argument's busted and you're desperately seeking an escape hatch. It's Ok; I understand:)
Are you daft ? Or do you just like to give that impression to fool people ??
If you don't understand the conversation probably better not to comment.
It's unlikely Americans - the people not only the government - will seek to grant Fischer posthumous citizenship given Fischer's despicable comments right after 9/11. Not that Fischer would want it anyway. Seems like, at the end of his life, Fischer hated America and wouldn't want such citizenship conferred. Why go against his wishes?
netzach:
I'm pleased to see that you used the correct word: egoists. Most people in the USA say: egotists. And, they don't have a clue as to the difference. Well done!
Actually with his sentence either word would have worked.
Egotist - arrogant boastful person
Egoist - self-centered or selfish person
Considering everytime I hear a person use egotist they are refering to someone who talks themselves up, I'd say most Americans I've heard use the word use it correctly.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/egotist?s=t&ld=1031
Americans can talk themselves up all they wish & I fully realise the value of self-confidence & attitude.
Still remains however that you all basically suck at chess compared to the smaller EU countries where it has been part of their lives for generations. Needing to recognise therefore that you have lot's to learn still about the game. Apparently this is not happening via the methods ( books/videos etc ) championed on here.
Why is that so ?
Not sure where the anger is from in that post, but maybe watch the medal scoring in the olympics coming up and you will find the answer?
I figure that remark should derail the thread even more.
Is Chess in the Olympics ? I didn't realise that ??
Who is competing for the US ?
Right over your head eh?
In response to why do you Americans suck at chess (despite having the #7 and #14 ranked players in the world. Not sure where Scotland or even Great Britian first shows up), I said watch the medal count in the olympics to see where all of the Americans who aren't playing chess are.
The truth is America has some great chess players, and on the top 15 list there aren't a lot of "little EU nations" either so overall I'm confused with you as much as you are with my jest.