Laurenchessdiva wrote:
I think everybody is smart in their own way.
A microcephalous idiot isn't.
Can you be a dumb person and still be good at chess?
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Jan 28, 2015
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probably wont be a champion, but i think everyone can understand and enjoy the game..
NKorea-2014 wrote:
Of course! How does you thinking Americans can play chess? They're dumb but still do.
You speak pretty good American, I'll give you that! 
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PilateBlue wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
Colloquially, the words genius, intelligent, and logical are synonyms, and words like illogical, stupid, and idiot are synonyms.
These lazy definitions aren't interesting to me.
I don't use lazy or colloquial definitions. Genius doesn't have an exact definition, but I believe the dictionary definitions of "logical" and "illogical" make it impossible to be an "illogical genius."
I don't know about all that. Having been to a major Salvador Dali exhibition, some ten years ago, I'd be happy to label him an "illogical genius".
Ah but this is a mistake. Just because a person is guided more by emotion (which is the opposite of logic) than logic doesn't necessarily mean the person is illogical. Similarly a person who is intensely logical in his thoughts and actions is not necessarily unemotional.
Emotion isn't the opposite of logic, and you can also be an illogical genius. Your way of thinking about these things is very narrow.
I was using logic and emotion to describe a personality instead of using the literal denotations. I wasn't very clear but I was trying to point out that he was using illogical in a different way than what was being discussed. Salvador Dali wasn't a "logical" thinker, but that doesn't mean he was illogical. Personalities fall within a spectrum of logical and emotional. Having a very logical personality means your thoughts and actions are guided primarily by logic and the opposite is true for a person with an emotional personality. However a logical thinker experiences emotions in the same way as emotional thinkers; he just isn't influenced in the same way. Conversely an emotional thinker isn't necessarily illogical.
leiph18 wrote:
PilateBlue wrote:
Doggy_Style wrote:
PilateBlue wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
Colloquially, the words genius, intelligent, and logical are synonyms, and words like illogical, stupid, and idiot are synonyms.
These lazy definitions aren't interesting to me.
I don't use lazy or colloquial definitions. Genius doesn't have an exact definition, but I believe the dictionary definitions of "logical" and "illogical" make it impossible to be an "illogical genius."
I don't know about all that. Having been to a major Salvador Dali exhibition, some ten years ago, I'd be happy to label him an "illogical genius".
Ah but this is a mistake. Just because a person is guided more by emotion (which is the opposite of logic) than logic doesn't necessarily mean the person is illogical. Similarly a person who is intensely logical in his thoughts and actions is not necessarily unemotional.
Emotion isn't the opposite of logic, and you can also be an illogical genius. Your way of thinking about these things is very narrow.
Anti-semitism and racism are not valid views. There is no logical reason to dislike someone because of a characteristic out of his/her control. I'm not going to get into his religious beliefs but they also weren't exactly logical.
I guess crazy isn't very specific. I think he was paranoid and had delusions.
Not that rich and powerful people aren't pulling strings. I'd guess that's as old as civilization.
"There was nothing racist about Fischer's views, he himself was Jewish"
Fischer's opinions do not become less racist depending on which background he had. These are far from the most extreme views he voiced in his later years, and they are of course quite racist:
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/fischer.html
Depends on what you mean by good and what you mean by dumb. I know plenty of uneducated people who were able to achieve a 2000+ rating.
I don't know about chess, but you can thrive in these forums.
Yeah, most people think of "good" as their rating + about 400.
IMO the OP doesn't have to worry about intelligence to be a "good" player.
Even to be titled, what's going to hold you back more than intelligence are things like time, dedication, money... age and health. Mostly it's non-players that think intelligence is the most important factor.
bobbyDK wrote:
could Forrest Ghump have played chess well instead of Ping Pong?
He would've beaten Carlsen and the ping pong champ at the same time.
The more people speak bad of Fischer, the more I know he was right. Time to put down the western mask of hypocrisy.
Jan 28, 2015
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incantevoleutopia wrote:
The more people speak bad of Fischer, the more I know he was right. Time to put down the western mask of hypocrisy.
Brilliant logic. lol.
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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
incantevoleutopia wrote:
The more people speak bad of Fischer, the more I know he was right. Time to put down the western mask of hypocrisy.
Brilliant logic. lol.
Explain me why it isn't. Do you think it is good to follow the dumb masses, or that the fact that many people think one thing automaticaly means it's a good or right thing?
All I see is people going all in against Fischer because he was too different and liked to use his own brain for bad or for good. Would not bow down to anyone.
Come back when you have such a troubled youth and subsequent life - let's see your perfectly sane reaction to everything, your jaw-dropping social skills and all that stuff...
Talkin' out of our asses aren't we, Fischer haters?
Intelligence is a variety of traits including personality, executive functions, moral capacity, and what not. Someone with a higher IQ has an easier time doing calculation, pattern recognition, memorization, and problem solving in chess than someone with a lower IQ, that being said, the amount of work invested in the game is what will dictate for the major part the outcome of the player at hand. This includes the amount of money invested (resource), and amount of time and effort into practising and playing, the way you play (qualitative differences in mindset and also in the way you work), and what not. Chess players with greater insight and greater ability are those invested in the game and they want it to be their life, a principle the applies to not only chess but life as well. A personal note: this can lead to idolatrous living however if people do not prioritize things properly, neglecting the rest of who they are like character, faith/spirituality, and the God-given pleasures of this life (smelling the roses and just laughing).
Another point to contemplate related to the earlier; intelligence plays a role in everything since we are cognitive creatures, but simultaneously well directed hard work pays off no matter what you do. Since intelligence is a broad category, it only makes sense that the categories that are correlated with chess in terms of mental activity are the ones that are relevant when it comes to gameplay and performance. So perhaps you may not be skilled or adept verbally, but you have better abilities when it comes to solving problems or riddles. Conversely, you may lack the problem-solving skills that are found in chess, and to recompense for that you will have to work harder and with more skill. Unless you have an impairment, you should be fine, but even then, the power of faith in God and the drive to succeed can take you a long way.
Rubbish. For a start, moral considerations are nothing whatever to do with intelligence.