Carlsen vs Anand

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MrDamonSmith

Yep. Carlsens da mudda fuggin chit. Oh, did I spell everything right?

fabelhaft
JMB2010 wrote:

I tried this by listing all the matches for the world championship, the winner was (or champion if tied) listed first, the person who I believed had more experience in high level matches I bolded.

Steinitz-Zukertort 1886

Steinitz-Chigorin 1889

Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890

Steinitz-Chigorin 1892

Lasker-Steinitz 1894

Lasker-Steinitz 1896

Lasker-Marshall 1907

Lasker-Tarrasch 1908

Lasker-Schlechter 1910

Lasker-Janowsky 1910

Capablanca-Lasker 1921

Alekhine-Capablanca 1927

Alekhine-Bogoljubow 1929

Alekhine-Bogoljubow 1934

Euwe-Alekhine 1935

Alekhine-Euwe 1937

Botvinnik-Bronstein 1951

Botvinnik-Smyslov 1954

Smyslov-Botvinnik 1957

Botvinnik-Smyslov 1958

Tal-Botvinnik 1960

Botvinnik-Tal 1961

Petrosian-Botvinnik 1963

Petrosian-Spassky 1966

Spassky-Petrosian 1969

Fischer-Spassky 1972

Karpov-Korchnoi 1978

Karpov-Korchnoi 1981

Karpov-Kasparov 1984

Kasparov-Karpov 1985

Kasparov-Karpov 1986

Kasparov-Karpov 1987

Kasparov-Karpov 1990

Kasparov-Short 1993 (outside of FIDE)

Kasparov-Anand 1995

Kramnik-Kasparov 2000

Kramnik-Leko 2004

Kramnik-Topalov 2006

Anand-Kramnik 2008

Anand-Topalov 2010

Anand-Gelfand 2012

 

Experience wins 24-17

But then you count Lasker as the winner of the drawn match against Schlechter, Botvinnik as the winner of the drawn matches against Bronstein and Smyslov, Kramnik as the winner of the drawn match against Leko, and Karpov as winner of the aborted match against Kasparov. Kramnik vs Topalov and Anand vs Gelfand were decided in rapid chess, where Topalov and Gelfand are much weaker than Kramnik and Anand. Leko overperformed for a player that never was top three and never had played a match.

Of the last 16 finished matches the more experienced match player won in classical in four cases. One of them being Anand vs Kramnik, when not only Kramnik himself called Anand a typical tournament player that was supposed to be comparatively weak in matches. Anand vs Topalov was on the way to be drawn when Topalov avoided repetition in the last game not to have to play rapid tiebreak. I'd say that rapid chess strength and draw odds have been more important than match experience.

king_nothing1

I agree that opening preperations won't matter much against MC but Anand's preperations are not about openings only but the study of the whole game and style of his opponent and thats where WC match differes from tournament play cause thorough preperation plays a part in this. Thats why Anand still a champ.

Now lets see the situation:

Anand is taking 4-3 months to prepare. He is not playing any tournament, he is aways from his family( his new born son) and preparing. In recent interview he said give me chess board and I am ready to play on Mars.

On the other side Carlsen is visiting Hotels in India, meeting chief minister of the state, playing tournament.

All this suggests that he is supremely confident of winning.

bean_Fischer

Carlsen will lose. Anand will lose. Both of them will lose. I am not their fan.

bean_Fischer
VikRajasekaran wrote:

Carlsens style of opening is definitely going to be difficult to counter, but its a long series of games and he will need many different opening suprises

Never heard of Carlsen openings. He maybe imitates Fischer or Kasparov OR Anand openings.

Anand maybe imitates Fischer, Kasparov or Calrsen openings.

So both of them will lose.

Polar_Bear
JMB2010 wrote:

I tried this by listing all the matches for the world championship, the winner was (or champion if tied) listed first, the person who I believed had more experience in high level matches I bolded.

[...]

Experience wins 24-17

a) Tarrasch was deemed to have more experience than Lasker.

b) Bogoljubow was deemed equal to Alekhine in experience.

c) Euwe was deemed to be most experienced player in the 1948 WCC match-tournament.

d) More experienced Fischer didn't dare to play Karpov in 1975.

e) Topalov wasn't less experienced than Kramnik.

f) Gelfand vs Anand ditto.

fabelhaft
Polar_Bear wrote:
JMB2010 wrote:

I tried this by listing all the matches for the world championship, the winner was (or champion if tied) listed first, the person who I believed had more experience in high level matches I bolded.

e) Topalov wasn't less experienced than Kramnik.

Topalov had never played a competitive match before, while Kramnik had played Candidates matches against Yudasin, Gelfand, Kamsky and Shirov, as well as title matches against Kasparov and Leko.

F0T0T0

When is the first match??

will it be on chess.com TV??

JMB2010

Thanks for your imput Polar_Bear, and if you looked at that based on experience alone, it would make no sense at all. I'm talking about top-class match experience, though.

fabelhaft

Anyone else had a look at Polar_Bear's home page, where he posts not only names of actual people and calls them cheaters and liars and idiots and worse etc in public, with posts of their real photos, phone numbers and home addresses, etc?!

(Profile - About Me - Home Page).

Likhit1

Carlsen will win.Anand will probably not get crushed though.

fabelhaft
Likhit1 wrote:

Carlsen will win.Anand will probably not get crushed though.

When was the last time a World Champion (or anyone) got crushed in an "at most 12 games"-match? These short matches never finish with more than +2.

Polar_Bear

To adress objections above:

Tarrasch drew tough match vs Chigorin 1893 - this match is deemed level above half of Lasker's WCC matches (at least vs Janowski, Marshall and Schlechter) and beat many top masters in matches, e.g. Pillsbury in the Vienna 1898 finals or Marshall in 1905.

Bogoljubow beat Euwe twice in 1928 in two matches - Alekhine had the Capa WCC match. Richard Reti valued Bogoljubow above Alekhine.

Topalov had match experience actually greater than Kramnik - from WCC FIDE knockouts.

Polar_Bear
fabelhaft wrote:

Anyone else had a look at Polar_Bear's home page, where he posts not only names of actual people and calls them cheaters and liars and idiots and worse etc in public, with posts of their real photos, phone numbers and home addresses, etc?!

(Profile - About Me - Home Page).

It's none of your business, you anonymous nonentity.

Bastards portrayed there are real online chess cheaters - rightfully punished by revealing their true identity. They deserve it.

Chessislife2013
VikRajasekaran wrote:

With the World Champion Match coming near, what are your thoughts on it? Who do you think will win?

To be blunt, you Anand fans are in for it. IT'S JUST OVER.

Chessislife2013
quadriple wrote:

When is the first match??

will it be on chess.com TV??

I should hope so.

Chessislife2013
Polar_Bear wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:

Anyone else had a look at Polar_Bear's home page, where he posts not only names of actual people and calls them cheaters and liars and idiots and worse etc in public, with posts of their real photos, phone numbers and home addresses, etc?!

(Profile - About Me - Home Page).

It's none of your business, you anonymous nonentity.

Bastards portrayed there are real online chess cheaters - rightfully punished by revealing their true identity. They deserve it.

I do believe your opinion is void... Against Chess.com rules.

LoveYouSoMuch

i found Polar_Bear's page quite entertaining. if someone is stupid enough to use their real name AND cheat under it, i guess the person deserves it.

the page isn't hosted in chess.com so they can't (and shouldn't) do anything about it.

uh... also, carlsen will win. maybe. yeah.

F0T0T0
Chessislife2013 wrote:
quadriple wrote:

When is the first match??

will it be on chess.com TV??

I should hope so.

But when does it start???

GMVillads

"Carlsen is now the Best player in the World but the margin is not so Big that the rating shows, his main strengt is his extremely good physical shape, you Can never count him on blundering a piece in the 6 hour of play. This hapened to us other top players. If we are in a good mood we Can fight him on equal."

Kramnik about carlsen.

I Think it is true. Anand Will fight Carlsen on equal if Anand is in good shape. Carlsen strengt is also to beat the lover rated players in a tournament. In the match there is no lover rated players. The macht Will be equal.

"Those who Say that Magnus Will win easily Against Anand are doing him a great disservice" Kasparov on the macht.

"The macht is for magnus to lose, clearly, but it is a 12 game macht, and whatever you Got from the first 9 games May NOT count" Kasparov on the macht.