Cheaters on chess.com

Hi

Let us have cheaters tournement There must be some out there?  Rolef

Please, keep in mind that I am against the cheating. Actually, it's one of the reasons I quit yahoo chess.

As for your crusade, "olympics for dopers" already exists. It's called playing with computer assistance. In fact, winning such a championship is much harder than you might think, as human must have a very deep understanding of the position to guide the machine through the key moments. It is not a sit back and enjoy kind of chess.

 Agent, please put up or shut up. Post one of these games for the community to look at. You want someone to be publicly humiliated, well here's your chance. You assure us that you're just being outplayed when you've made no blunders. Well, post the games, or please, keep it between you and your therapist.

I dislike getting into these sorts of arguments, because the people that bring up the cheating are very hard to convince that they are wrong. Here's a game that I played, against a play rated over 1600 before the game, that I took into an unfamiliar (I presume) opening and proceeded to beat, but not without the help of some blunders on my opponent's part. I then proceeded to get chess.com to analyze it. Yes, I did have perhaps only three of twenty-one moves that the engine disagreed with, and I'm sure that I won't be believed that I didn't cheat, but I just happened to be on a good day, and caught my opponent on a bad day with an unfamiliar opening.

Basically what I'm saying is that in chess people have good days, where they can see (even if they are rated at 1100-1300) three to five move combinations, and then there are days where they miss the mate in one that they had, or miss the mate in one their opponent had. Just deal with the losses and don't blame others for something that was probably your own fault.

Cheating for nothing other than a rating on this site would be no fun. So ocasionally you play against a computer and maybe you get better but the cheater still can't play a real game and probably loses to a 4 year old.

One thing that I have noticed, not regularly but on occasion are those characters with ratings around or below 1000 who somehow manage to play strong moves for a sustained period of time say, 15-25 moves and then suddenly start playing as if they barely know how the pieces move. It makes me suspect cheating but why it doesn't continue I can't fathom. I have also met a few folks who purposely keep their ratings very low, sub 900, for the express purpose of beating players rated 1500 or higher. It's a source of entertainment for them. It's another reason not to take ratings too seriously.

As another possibility, these players 300+ points lower than you could be relatively new to the site and have a higher rating in real life and have not raised their rating to where it "belongs" yet.

CHEATING on Internet Chess Servers:
A MATTER YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF .

http://www.geocities.com/area51/Realm/8655/ENGLISH/Part1_ENG.htm

I am rated 1400 or so on this site- though i won a 2000 and came very close to a 2300( blundered my bishop in winning endgame...) dont take ratings seriously and stop crying- in OTB i play much stronger than lousy 1400- get used to it.

Once a guy on ICC accused me of using a computer.  I didn't have the heart to tell him that my "brilliant" blitz combinations were unsound, and he really just wasn't that good.

But suppose you are in a situation such as this:  You are playing several online games in the King's Gambit, because you want to study this opening.  After each game you use Fritz to check the tactics.  What if your research in the completed games "inadvertantly" helps you with the in progress games?  Or suppose you use a computer to check a possible variation in an on line game, that was not actually played, but the research gives you some ideas that help you win the on line game?

You folks are refering to being outplayed, I rank around 1000 and have HONESTLY beaten people rated at 1588 (after adjustment). Cheating is joining a lower level tournament, say one set up for 900 to 1050 by deliberately tanking your rating, then after 2 games in the tournament, and probably several on the side, be rated at almost 1600, just to be able to say I won a tournament.

Dear Duffer 1965, no need to be rude, we can discuss this issue in a friendly manor; I'm not accusing anybody particular because I can't prove cheating on this site. And as for my games - it's been a while since I suspected someone cheating,  so I really don't feel like tracking those games, it would probably take days to find and analyze them all. Also I'm aware that I probably made some (not so obvious) blunders in those games considering that I'm still a beginner. I just want to say that sometimes I get a  feeling that I'm being duped and I'm rarely wrong when my alarm goes off. And what else to assume when I witness cheaters being detected constantly when playing on playchess.com... That's all

Thank you for this link cesarakg, I couldn't agree more

You keep saying you where cheated. Which I’m really hesitant to believe is the case here based on your moves. Besides you should look at there ranks again. They are both 1400 something so they could have out right played you.

geocities.com/area51/Realm/8655/ENGLISH/Part1_ENG.htm claims "It is relatively easy to get computer/chess playing program assistance while playing a 5 0 blitz game."

Is this true??

One way to get around potential cheaters is to simply not play the same people a lot. The rating system will reflect how strong a player you are over time.  Losing one game you shouldn't have will, yes, in the short term lower your rating.  But over time, the rating system is designed to award you more points if you are outperforming your rating.  Losing a lot of games on time, likewise, will reduce your rating in the short term, but over time, your rating should approach what it was before if you play at the same strength.

Gross errors of play characterize under 1500 play.  That there were like 5 '?' moves in a row is a good example of that level of play.  Ultimately it's not who makes fewer mistakes at that level, it's whoever makes the second to last mistake who wins (I can't remember which world champion said this).

I'd also encourage people who think others are cheating to worry first about improving their own game and then they'd eventually be delighted to find that others don't cheat as much.  Ultimately, I am delighted to lose after putting a good deal of effort into a game, because I get to learn something about what was lacking in how I played.  I'm not saying it's okay if they used a computer, but frankly, even at my ~2000 rating, I know that saying that my opponent needs a computer to beat me is a gross overestimation of my strength. 

Finally, I would contend that the mindset one is in concerning one's own losses also reflects how strong a player you are.  Generally speaking, master level players are not throwing tantrums and getting accusational when they lose.  There is a difference between being frustrated one lost and blaming others for cheating.  It's a mindset that can be cultivated, even here online.

this thread is hilarious

Dear Special Agent Kuyan

It has come to my attention that there are a group of 1000 rated players cheating on this site.

However, their ratings will never rise above 1300, the level of the average participant on chess.com!

The reason is that they are only cheating against you!!!

I think this is most unfair and you absolutely do not deserve it.

If I were you I would not tolerate such dishonest play.

Furthermore, it saddens me to say that 'annotator' is on their side, and is solely responsible for derailing your clearly justified concerns.

I dont believe that only 2000+ players cheat.

I do believe it is possible that there may be some lower rated players who may use a computer for a move or two to get them out of scrapes and begin to play their own game again.

I dont believe it could be that high a number of people who use this tactic,I cant say I have ever suspected anyone yet.

I reckon that everyone who plays internet chess should accept there is a chance of this and should also accept that not everyone does, I myself think and would suggest to the OP that you should really not let it bother you.

I think that below 2000 it is probably very rare for people to cheat and I am happy in the knowledge that if there are a lot of cheaters above 2000 (which I honestly have no clue if there are or not) then it will never bother me as I will never be that good, and therefore will hardly ever play them, if I do then I expect to lose if they cheat or not!

Just enjoy your games, if you are being overwhelmed by a player regardless of rating then just try your best, whether they are cheating or not you can only gain experience from your losses, I find that I dont learn half as much from wins as I do from losses.

If you still cant let it go then maybe you should play OTB at a local club.

Maybe they just started playing? Just because their rating says one thing their actual chess strength may be something else completely.