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Drop your attachment to win, drop your attachment to lose, then this will all become meaningless. Any chess game should be played for the enjoyment of playing, and of self discovery. If you are playing chess for ego boost, you are playing wrong game. Play chess for chess and we can stop caring about these stupid numbers and name calling. There is NO way to eliminate computer cheating, so just mellow out folks. You want 100% computer free chess...get off the computer and head to a chess club, or start one! Next topic ; )
Chessroshi wrote: Drop your attachment to win, drop your attachment to lose, then this will all become meaningless. Any chess game should be played for the enjoyment of playing, and of self discovery. If you are playing chess for ego boost, you are playing wrong game. Play chess for chess and we can stop caring about these stupid numbers and name calling. There is NO way to eliminate computer cheating, so just mellow out folks. You want 100% computer free chess...get off the computer and head to a chess club, or start one! Next topic ; )
 I completely agree, I came on here to play chess, to win, and to lose, and to improve, not to feed my ego 
 Even though playing computers is a little boring, its still chess. I still do not endorse cheating, and discourage anyone who wants to be a great chess player to stop kidding themselves, and learn how to play chess the real way.
Nov 17, 2007
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DeepNf3 wrote: Ziryab wrote: The analogy between cheaters and drinkers fails because moderate consumption of alcohol is good for the user, and good for society. Moderate cheating is morally repugnant.
how does the analogy fails?
what is the difference between a chess cheater who buys a DGT board with the mere purpose of using it for cheating and a drinker who buys drinks at the club when it comes to how important they both are to the business world?
The difference is clear: the drinker is not a drunk, and she may well be aiding the development of an organization of small business owners while consuming that drink. In point of fact, that's exactly what was happening the last time I bought a drink at a club for a lady.
DGT has a legitimate market to which they add a few cheaters. I buy a fast mouse to avert frustration with my equipment during the inevitable time scrambles in three minute blitz online. Manufacturers and purveyors of alcohol serve occasional and moderate drinkers, as well as the drunks.
You compared cheating to drinking. Not all that drink are drunks, but there is no such thing as moderate cheating.
Your analogy links a social evil (that you exaggerate) with a social good (that you slander).
Of course, there is profit to be gleaned from cheaters, but I doubt that any business thrives on them alone.
how does the analogy fails?
what is the difference between a chess cheater who buys a DGT board with the mere purpose of using it for cheating and a drinker who buys drinks at the club when it comes to how important they both are to the business world?
the seller don't care that one is/might be a chess cheater and that the other one might be a drunk driver, sellers only care that one likes to buy drinks and the other DGT boards whatever their intentions might be
now, if you gave both the drunkard and the chess cheater free drinks and free DGT boards one might kill himself drinking and the other won't want to have a DGT board anymore because he thinks that everybody has one
ok now let's say that cheaters come to this site and chose opponents that do less than 80% thinking that those are not cheaters just like they are, well now they have to deal with the fact that how good they themselve really are when they need to cheat on "no as good chess players" to win?!
a slap in the face indeed!