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solskytz

It's still possible to cheat in 3 minute games. Don't ask me how - I really have no idea. But I've seen it done, and I've seen people banned. 

solskytz

<Erik> (this is in reply to comment #5, which you've written seven years ago)

Play like you think that your opponent doesn't cheat - I don't think that it's good advice. 

Sometimes when you realize that you're playing a cheater, of course frontal accusation will do no good as they will get angry or ignore you, but some subtle changes in the way you play can do wonders...

This is something that works against those cheaters who don't know their business and play rather slow, as they aren't sophisticated enough to use technology well.

When you've spotted one of these "slow-moving cheaters" you can start shifting the game towards positions where a computer won't be able to win in few moves - avoid obvious continuations, favor keeping the position closed, give checks if they slow him down, go for meaningless maneouvering where he can't exploit it directly and immediately, and above anything else, play faster than he does... you can flag such a cheater in many cases. Then of course, never play the guy again and report him to chess.com as soon as the game ends. Even if you won. 

Jion_Wansu

Like you said. A lot of times use the cheaters to your advantage. Computers/engines always make the same mistakes and don't "learn" from their mistakes!

Ah_Vignette

I believe that's why a lot of high level player play quicker games on here. I caught someone about my lvl 1200-1400 cheat once. I was up a minor piece and I checked the game later with an engine. 20 perfect moves in a row directly after a blunder seemed unlikely to me

kleelof
solskytz wrote:

It's still possible to cheat in 3 minute games. Don't ask me how - I really have no idea. But I've seen it done, and I've seen people banned. 

I saw a video earlier this year of some software that can play blitz games on Chess.com.

kleelof
AnarchyBrian wrote:

I believe that's why a lot of high level player play quicker games on here. I caught someone about my lvl 1200-1400 cheat once. I was up a minor piece and I checked the game later with an engine. 20 perfect moves in a row directly after a blunder seemed unlikely to me

Can you define 'perfect moves'?

solskytz

<Kleelof> (on #24) yes, of course I know these things exist - but couldn't be bothered with actually going deeper into that unfortunate topic... :-)

kleelof

Personally, I could care less if my opponent uses an engine.

I look at it this way. They obviously suck at chess, otherwise they would not be using an engine.

So, when they use an engine, at least I have an opponent I can possibly learn something from.

solskytz

<Kleelof> a nice way of looking at it, admitted. 

I still like to know who I'm playing. Let me choose if and when I want to play engines. Of course there's nothing wrong with playing against engines. It's the cheating element that I object to. 

Chessstudentforlife
kleelof wrote:

Personally, I could care less if my opponent uses an engine.

I look at it this way. They obviously suck at chess, otherwise they would not be using an engine.

So, when they use an engine, at least I have an opponent I can possibly learn something from.

Being cheated out of a game is no way to learn.  You and Erik have no moral code.

kleelof
Chessstudentforlife wrote:
kleelof wrote:

Personally, I could care less if my opponent uses an engine.

I look at it this way. They obviously suck at chess, otherwise they would not be using an engine.

So, when they use an engine, at least I have an opponent I can possibly learn something from.

Being cheated out of a game is no way to learn.  You and Erik have no moral code.

That's not at all true.

The common dogma in chess is 'lear from your losses'. If you lose to an engine, there is still room to learn something.

And, it is definately less stressful than giving cheaters recognition. Let them live in their dark pitiful hole without a sound.

kleelof
solskytz wrote:

<Kleelof> a nice way of looking at it, admitted. 

I still like to know who I'm playing. Let me choose if and when I want to play engines. Of course there's nothing wrong with playing against engines. It's the cheating element that I object to. 

7+ billion people in the world. By my rough estimation, 6+ billion of them cheat in one way or another.

Nothing you can do to stop people from feeling like they need to cheat. Better to just forget about it and move on to people more deserving of your energy.

Tapani
solskytz wrote:

It's still possible to cheat in 3 minute games. Don't ask me how - I really have no idea. But I've seen it done, and I've seen people banned. 

There is software that reads the position from the screen and plays the computer moves for you. They even advertise it with "want a 2200+ rating within a day?".

maheshsjartarghar

[Event "maheshsjartarghar vs. kishajay"] [Site " Chess.com"] [Date "16/12/2014"] [White "maheshsjartarghar"] [Black "kishajay"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "1309"] [BlackElo "1314"] [TimeControl "1 in 0 day"] [Termination "maheshsjartarghar won by checkmate"] 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c3 d6 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Ne7 6. a4 Nd7 7. b4 b6 8. a5 Bb7 9. a6 Bxe4 10. Nbd2 f5 11. Nxe4 fxe4 12. Ng5 e5 13. Ne6 Qc8 14. Nxg7+ Kf7 15. Bh6 Rg8 16. Bc4+ d5 17. Qg4 dxc4 18. Qe6+ Kf8 19. Nf5+ Ke8 0-1 Sent from my Android

solskytz

#32 I start to like your viewpoint more and more :-) certainly very human. 

#33 amazing for the advertising! They could switch it to "want to have your account deleted within a couple of weeks and your reputation destroyed?" for more accurate and informative advertising...

kleelof
rdecredico wrote:

Old sChOol face-to-face otb play is still the best anti-cheating software made.

And its backwards compatable for use on older models

There's some hope for me after all.

solskytz

I like it. It doesn't mean that it becomes my own viewpoint. 

kleelof
rdecredico wrote:
kleelof wrote:
rdecredico wrote:

Old sChOol face-to-face otb play is still the best anti-cheating software made.

And its backwards compatable for use on older models

There's some hope for me after all.

Everything will be alright in the end.

If it is not alright, then it is not the end. 

Comforting.

Chessstudentforlife
kleelof wrote:
Chessstudentforlife wrote:
kleelof wrote:

Personally, I could care less if my opponent uses an engine.

I look at it this way. They obviously suck at chess, otherwise they would not be using an engine.

So, when they use an engine, at least I have an opponent I can possibly learn something from.

Being cheated out of a game is no way to learn.  You and Erik have no moral code.

That's not at all true.

The common dogma in chess is 'lear from your losses'. If you lose to an engine, there is still room to learn something.

And, it is definately less stressful than giving cheaters recognition. Let them live in their dark pitiful hole without a sound.

People should be given a choice as to whether they want to play chess programs or not.  People who use chess engines against their opponents are very deceptive.  That's the point you're missing.

kleelof
Chessstudentforlife wrote:
kleelof wrote:
Chessstudentforlife wrote:
kleelof wrote:

Personally, I could care less if my opponent uses an engine.

I look at it this way. They obviously suck at chess, otherwise they would not be using an engine.

So, when they use an engine, at least I have an opponent I can possibly learn something from.

Being cheated out of a game is no way to learn.  You and Erik have no moral code.

That's not at all true.

The common dogma in chess is 'lear from your losses'. If you lose to an engine, there is still room to learn something.

And, it is definately less stressful than giving cheaters recognition. Let them live in their dark pitiful hole without a sound.

People should be given a choice as to whether they want to play chess programs or not.  People who use chess engines against their opponents are very deceptive.  That's the point you're missing.

I'm not missing it at all.

I simply don't care if someone is cheating against me.

And, since knowing for sure is out of the question, there is no point in getting all twisted-up over it.

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