soooo....not the persians then?
if you want a more thorough scholarly discussion of the birth of chess
I recommend you go here:
http://history.chess.free.fr/origins.htm
in it you will find the following:
" The quest of Chess origin is an exciting riddle. This question is still unsolved today despite what can be said or read here or there.
These pages aim at gathering all elements at our disposal. Everyone will then make his own mind.
Chess sprang in History in Persia around 600 A.D., already opposing two armies of 16 pieces each. Searching earlier than that is diving in the game prehistory, in the myths and legends....
There is no doubt now that Chess is ... an Asiatic game. Three regions may claim to be its cradle: North of India, Central Asia from Iran to Turkestan and Eastern China. No one can object that there is a "genetic" link between all forms of Chess coming from these areas.
For most educated people, there is no question. The main stream theory is Chess was born in India in the 6th century at latest. That's all. Nevertheless, this vision is poorly informed and lies, mainly, on the intuitions of a chain of bright English historians and intellectuals, obviously impressed by the wealth and depth of the Indian civilization at the time where India was under the British rules: Hyde (1694), Jones (1790), Forbes (1860) et Murray (1913). Without denying how important was their contribution for the studies of India, it is clear that possible contribution of other cultures were not envisaged with the same intensity. To make it short, let's say that the main stream theory lacks of definitive proofs. Expected consequence, the controverse is harsh among modern specialists. Those have now much more "material" that was available to their respectable predecessors. Let's review all this.
this guy says it better than I can and gets quite specific in the archaeology of what is known. there IS no way to know. well, without a tardis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrahmanyan_Chandrasekhar
There is life beyond high school, you know.
[crap double post]
Had a laugh reading this stuff, tbh!
...awfully sorry, but just had to copy and paste this...happiness wasn't the sole intention though.
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984
...not to worry; excelling in one out three, is still not too bad!
What about that disgusting drink made of water and herbs?
do you think the Hinds suck, eh?
and that the persions and chinese did more??
you fail as a buddhist. your supposed to accept things and reach for a one-ness with the universe. a rant on how sucky the home empire is .... so rude and unenlightened.
but your biggest problem is all these "facts" , or more accurately the lack of "facts"- you can say whatever you want to say, but without any solid, academic, understanding of the origin of any of the things you mention- you just sound silly.
and frankly a little racist.
after all what has the UK contributed really? they didn't even come up with tea- they just drank it obsessively. they used guns to subdue countries from america to asia. they didn't invent english, kilts, the computer, or (discover) america.
with a good heaping of no regard for the facts you could say the UK was the suckiest empire in the history of the whole universe!
Adam from Eternia did more -- just sayin'
Spitfire was a good thing too. But hey, as empire of evil you are only number 2. Hispania! Hispania waves the rules!
compass invented elsewhere. navigation across the big oceans of the world- the portugese got you beat by a lot , and the phoenicians were boating before the UK had a "U". and the polynesians... they were canoeing across the pacific before the the British islands were even inhabited.
Jack Daniel. nasty stuff. the cause of a lot of grief in the world.
Newton was positively Outdone by Einstein; and as he had a superficially correct understanding of physics.
you are, oc, missing my point- but this was expected...
the only thing I give you in the rant is that they guys were english- well born in english with ancesters from france, well ancestors from france and german....
ok.
never mind, I'm saying I disagree with EVERYTHING in that post- from them being "english" to introducing "western civilisation" (well- to heck with the silk road!)
What are you talking about? "taken the idea from Carrom"? if you knew what Carrom was you would realize how ridiculous that sounds...and if you claim that they "invented" the story that it is called C(h)aturanga, why did the Persians call it Shatranj?...if the persians invented it, wouldn't they have made their own name for it?
I have no qualms in admitting that chess owes much of its history to the persians and arabs, but to attribute its Indian history to conspiracy is a bit over the top. Yes, Indian influence in the history of chess is embellished due to the "orientalist" historians of the 19th century, but it is still obvious.
Gentlemen, I'd suggest a counter-trolling instead of such well elaborated arguments.
any culture that can inspire their people to do THIS to themselves must be pretty friggin awesome
it inspires others, even things that aren't people
and calm the inner monster
YOGA Is cool! (and 1000000% India-ish)
and by the way. Indian people are pretty sure God invented yoga. just sayin'.
so there. pretty proud moment for the unappreciated empire of the week.
oh god, wikipedia
In the article you'll find sources for everything it says. I only omitted them to keep it uniform, pretty text.