Chess.com ratings are rigged

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So...

Chess.com is rigged because of its rating system, some 800 and 600 play as strong as 1000's in chess.com, I am unable to understand the reason, but Li-chess is much better than chess.com. I was playing against 800s in chess and couldn't understand why I was winning 2-6 games in a row and losing to some. I decided to start over in li-chess, turns out I am far better in li-chess with a whopping rating 1500 in rapid and 1300 in blitz after playing 20+ games. Any reason why this could be?? 

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Yes. Their rating system is different. Everyone starts at 1500 there.

Here, your initial rating is set based on a self assessment. The theory is that your rating will adjust to its proper level

It looks like you started at 1600 here and your blitz and rapid ratings gradually declined to their current levels.

You probably should have started at 800 and then you would have won more games.

The main point of ratings is to help you find good games.

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Austin_Bahrain wrote:

turns out I am far better in li-chess

It sounds like measuring your height with inches and centimeters and then saying "I am far taller in centimeters"

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Lichess ratings are much more inflated, it uses a different rating system.
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Every chess rating system is different from different chess organizations. 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

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Austin_Bahrain wrote:

So...

Chess.com is rigged because of its rating system, some 800 and 600 play as strong as 1000's in chess.com, I am unable to understand the reason, but Li-chess is much better than chess.com. I was playing against 800s in chess and couldn't understand why I was winning 2-6 games in a row and losing to some. I decided to start over in li-chess, turns out I am far better in li-chess with a whopping rating 1500 in rapid and 1300 in blitz after playing 20+ games. Any reason why this could be??


In the 600-1500 range many players will play perfectly one game and then the next just blunder it all, it’s normal, It’s the same for above 1500 too just less common. Also chess.com is about the same rating level as your would be over the board or at least within 100 rating points of what you should be in OTB, however lichess has a +800 rating system from what you would be in OTB, for example I’m 2500 in Lichess which is ridiculous considering i’m 1600 USCF and 1700 Blitz

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Ineffaceable wrote:
 

In the 600-1500 range many players will play perfectly one game and then the next just blunder it all, it’s normal, It’s the same for above 1500 too just less common. Also chess.com is about the same rating level as your would be over the board or at least within 100 rating points of what you should be in OTB, however lichess has a +800 rating system from what you would be in OTB, for example I’m 2500 in Lichess which is ridiculous considering i’m 1600 USCF and 1700 Blitz

What if players are scattered through out the ratings?? Because this is my old account( only 6 months though). I am currently learning chess books and i am sure that my rating would be around 1100-1400.

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MrChatty wrote:
Austin_Bahrain wrote:

turns out I am far better in li-chess

It sounds like measuring your height with inches and centimeters and then saying "I am far taller in centimeters"

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Austin_Bahrain wrote:
Ineffaceable wrote:
 

In the 600-1500 range many players will play perfectly one game and then the next just blunder it all, it’s normal, It’s the same for above 1500 too just less common. Also chess.com is about the same rating level as your would be over the board or at least within 100 rating points of what you should be in OTB, however lichess has a +800 rating system from what you would be in OTB, for example I’m 2500 in Lichess which is ridiculous considering i’m 1600 USCF and 1700 Blitz

What if players are scattered through out the ratings?? Because this is my old account( only 6 months though). I am currently learning chess books and i am sure that my rating would be around 1100-1400.

Their rating would stabilise at their true rating after a bunch of games

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https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/i-know-im-better-than-my-rating-really

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I wonder why there's not an elo test when creating a new chess account. It makes things more fair and square

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binhsupercuber wrote:

I wonder why there's not an elo test when creating a new chess account. It makes things more fair and square

I wonder why there's placement matches

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Me too!

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Players will not be scattered through the ratings as long as they’ve played around 50-100 games, at this point your rating should stabilize and you will face people that are at your level, also before the next person mentions this, your accuracies will not be consistent so if you play one game at a 90 percent accuracy this does not mean you are a grandmaster
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funchess740 wrote:

Levy has a video saying that accuracy is a main indicator of a cheater


The game Review accuracy is not a direct engine correlation tool and isn't something the uses for that purpose.

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8708970-how-is-accuracy-in-analysis-determined

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Ineffaceable wrote:
Players will not be scattered through the ratings as long as they’ve played around 50-100 games, at this point your rating should stabilize and you will face people that are at your level, also before the next person mentions this, your accuracies will not be consistent so if you play one game at a 90 percent accuracy this does not mean you are a grandmaster

I admire your comment, but I feel like my rating should be atleast 1100(in blitz as I am already 1000 in rapid). This is specifically because i have defeated a 2100 rated player adjoined with FIDE once, drew with the 2000 elo bot and have defeated a 1700 in an unrated match. I am not sure why this is. Should I start a new account or should I continue another account in Licess*?

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If you like high numbers in your profile with no extra effort then lichess for sure

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I have played 38 games in a certain chess variant, starting at a rating 1500 and winning them all. (With quite some luck in some of them.) I was seeking for similarly rated opponents. Yet I am still rated below 2000 in that variant, and still slightly underrated, if the variants ratings can be taken seriously. The ratings should be a bit more flexible in such cases, as it feels odd when one needs to score 40/40 to reach 2000. I like some things more here on chess.com and others more on Lichess, but on Lichess I needed only slightly above 10 games to reach an appropriate rating, and here it takes 40 games, if not more.

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Austin_Bahrain wrote:
Ineffaceable wrote:
Players will not be scattered through the ratings as long as they’ve played around 50-100 games, at this point your rating should stabilize and you will face people that are at your level, also before the next person mentions this, your accuracies will not be consistent so if you play one game at a 90 percent accuracy this does not mean you are a grandmaster

I admire your comment, but I feel like my rating should be atleast 1100(in blitz as I am already 1000 in rapid). This is specifically because i have defeated a 2100 rated player adjoined with FIDE once, drew with the 2000 elo bot and have defeated a 1700 in an unrated match. I am not sure why this is. Should I start a new account or should I continue another account in Licess*?

I think the more realistic and simpler answer is that your rating is accurate. The ratings aren't rigged. Look inward instead of placing blame on chess.com.

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FormerProdigy wrote:

I have played 38 games in a certain chess variant, starting at a rating 1500 and winning them all. (With quite some luck in some of them.) I was seeking for similarly rated opponents. Yet I am still rated below 2000 in that variant, and still slightly underrated, if the variants ratings can be taken seriously. The ratings should be a bit more flexible in such cases, as it feels odd when one needs to score 40/40 to reach 2000. I like some things more here on chess.com and others more on Lichess, but on Lichess I needed only slightly above 10 games to reach an appropriate rating, and here it takes 40 games, if not more.

So, does that mean my rating isnt accurate??