Chess.com VS USCF Rating

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Ziryab
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
VardanBetikyan wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

Jeremy Silman says the ratings at chess.com are 200-300 higher than USCF OTB equivalents. I've coached high school kids and those with USCF regular ratings of 1200 or more had a MUCH deeper understanding of chess than the games I see by 1200 players here.  I can't speak for the higher ratings.

So if Im at 1700, that means Im really 1400 OBT? :/

Chess.com standard ratings are good predictors of USCF ratings except at the extremes.

 

Blitz ratings are better predictors. One reason is that there is less of the notorious "extenuating circumstances" in blitz. Even so, it is a poor predictor.

Martin_Stahl
VardanBetikyan wrote:

Hmm, so when I study, how would I test out the things Ive learned and how would I know if I'm improving if ratings are not accurate?

 

If your rating is increasing here, you are likely improving some aspect of your play. Ratings are really only "accurate" within a pool of players.

 

You can get inaccuracies in regional players OTB, that play relatively the same pool of people all the time. They then go to  a different area and have worse/better results than their rating would indicate, without any real change in chess knowledge/strength.

 

Also, look to see if you continue to make the same types of mistakes; if you are, you probably aren't improving much grin.png

Platzerwasel
VardanBetikyan wrote:

Personally I'm 1963 USCF, but am having difficulty with U1600 players in the 15|10 games. Maybe I'm just not used to playing online?

Very similar to me.  1938 USCF and 1701 Blitz here (all 10min games).  I scored 1.5/3 in my last OTB RR so I'm hanging with the 1900-crowd in the USCF but find it hard to do so here against 1700s in 10min blitz

Kpop4Life

my USCF rating is somewhere in the 500s while my chess.com rapid rating is 994. kinda weird but yeah.....

lutak22
I've played only a few Otb games and have no rating one against a 1700-1800 and two against a 1500-1600 rated all at rapid 25/10 time controls .. ended up with 2 wins and 1 draw .. the draw being against the 1500 ..
Ziryab
Platzerwasel wrote:
VardanBetikyan wrote:

Personally I'm 1963 USCF, but am having difficulty with U1600 players in the 15|10 games. Maybe I'm just not used to playing online?

Very similar to me.  1938 USCF and 1701 Blitz here (all 10min games).  I scored 1.5/3 in my last OTB RR so I'm hanging with the 1900-crowd in the USCF but find it hard to do so here against 1700s in 10min blitz

 

 10 0 and any blitz with increments adds the likelihood of a certain leveling of skill due to extenuating circumstances.

SilentKnighte5

"extenuating circumstances"

NeilBerm

The rapid ratings overestimate strength at the lower levels but then underestimate probably somewhere around 1900. Unlike the blitz ratings, which go up into the 2700s for the super gms that use the site, the standard ratings are all generally under 2000 or just over 2000. They attempted to make the ratings more accurate by giving players extra rating points sometime back but they are still too low.

chessmaster102

one way to test it is finding a player who plays just as many blitz,daily,rapid and OTB games and see what there rating says which is very tedious although I may do it just to test all of this.Ill start off by not going off rating but how much rating I gained over time in all formats. I cant do OTB tho since im pretty inactive but perhaps I can simply play some Classical timed games against even leveled opponents. The one big flaw with all this is allmy opponents would have to be the same strengh but that means knowing already how accurate chess.com ratings are to begin with. A pretty annoying paradox.

Cherub_Enjel

10 minute blitz is full of engine users, so the ratings are deflated. Stick with 3 minute blitz - I have played the great majority of my blitz against 3 minute players, and there are 0 account closures for cheating amongst them.

Ziryab
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

10 minute blitz is full of engine users, so the ratings are deflated. Stick with 3 minute blitz - I have played the great majority of my blitz against 3 minute players, and there are 0 account closures for cheating amongst them.

 

My blitz is 3 0 and 5 0 almost exclusively. When I go back a month in my history, I see 2-3% account closures.

Cherub_Enjel

About half of my 10+0 games, including unrated, have been engine users, and blatant ones at that. 

TargetPoint
If you get good enough on Chess.com, then you get a USCF rating.
Cherub_Enjel

I take my online rating seriously enough so that I can motivate myself to play seriously.

It has no value other than that, compared to official ratings.

iblunderedmyqueen

I used to play a lot of 60 min games on ICC, and my rating was solidly around 1600. My USCF is 1907. If the ICC ratings and chess.com ratings are similar, then Id say that online chess and otb rating correlations just vary from person to person. For me, the 2d vs 3d and the home environment against a tournament setting is just too different.

lfPatriotGames

I think your guess of around a hundred points difference is pretty accurate. My USCF is higher than my online rating here and on other chess websites, but my bullet and blitz ratings are a lot lower of course because I make so many mistakes on the shorter time controls.

MentalityToRectify

I believe there is a serious rating disparity. For example I have a 1225 Rapid/Classical rating on chess.com, and my OTB is a weak 505, this is 700+ difference, minus some considering the fact I find it more difficult visualizing OTB. If anyone has any idea how I can improve the gap between my chess.com rating and my OTB rating please comment.

Brainiac_unit6Chess

Remembering online games have many disturbances such as internet issues,lack of concentration,etc

nighteyes1234
VardanBetikyan wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

Jeremy Silman says the ratings at chess.com are 200-300 higher than USCF OTB equivalents. I've coached high school kids and those with USCF regular ratings of 1200 or more had a MUCH deeper understanding of chess than the games I see by 1200 players here.  I can't speak for the higher ratings.

So if Im at 1700, that means Im really 1400 OBT? :/

More like 1000-1300 according to the post. USCF ratings themselves are overstated to FIDE. Maybe to stay on the safe side we say its at least 500. I had no idea I could be 1400 away from 2000 according to Silman.surprise.png

kehartman

Forget Silman's comment.  Isn't the default here for new players 1200?  I would think the further you are from 1200, the more accurate your rating is (and perhaps more comparable to USCF).