Chess Engine 'Styles'

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chyss

I don't think I can trust the programmer's descriptions of the styles of these programs because they all say they're tactically brilliant, deep, creative, agressive, and accurate. I'm not so much interested in which is best, but more interested in their 'style' though I appreciate that to a large extent they're 'machine-like'(!)

How would you describe the playing styles of any of these engines: Fritz 14, Rybka 4, Hiarcs 14, Junior 14, Shredder 12, Stockfish 5, Komodo 8, and Houdini 4?

EscherehcsE

They all have a thump-a** style from my perspective. Laughing

But seriously, lots of people say that Junior has a very sacrificial style.

chyss
EscherehcsE wrote:

They all have a thump-a** style from my perspective.

But seriously, lots of people say that Junior has a very sacrificial style.

Do you know whether older versions or newer versions of Junior are more likely to go for sacrificies? And do you know how speculative the sacrifices are?

chyss
Harisha837 wrote:

They play the best moves, simple as that. Meaning they make every positional improvement and spot eveyr single tactic. This is styleless perfection.

If they all play the best moves, how can they play differently? Wouldn't the computer ratings charts just list all the programs with the same elo if they all played the same?

leiph18
Harisha837 wrote:
chyss wrote:
Harisha837 wrote:

They play the best moves, simple as that. Meaning they make every positional improvement and spot eveyr single tactic. This is styleless perfection.

If they all play the best moves, how can they play differently? Wouldn't the computer ratings charts just list all the programs with the same elo if they all played the same?

Well I didn't mean exact perfect moves, but extremely accurate. 1 engine may evaluate a move/position slightly worse or better than another engine . But there is no style they lean towards. They just look at every combination and find the best move.

I don't think you know what you mean.

And obviously they don't look at every combination.

chyss
Harisha837 wrote:
chyss wrote:
Harisha837 wrote:

They play the best moves, simple as that. Meaning they make every positional improvement and spot eveyr single tactic. This is styleless perfection.

If they all play the best moves, how can they play differently? Wouldn't the computer ratings charts just list all the programs with the same elo if they all played the same?

Well I didn't mean exact perfect moves, but extremely accurate. 1 engine may evaluate a move/position slightly worse or better than another engine . But there is no style they lean towards. They just look at every combination and find the best move.

I appreciate that I'm using the word 'style' in an unusual way, hence the quotation marks, but I'm interested in those differences you refer to in the way one engine evaluates one move as compared with another. Which engines evaluate more aggressive moves more favourably, which engines evaluate sacrifices more favourably, which engines evaluate safer and more solid moves more favourably etc.

leiph18

The most striking thing about any engine play is it can't take into account any deep plan, and anything outside its search horizon doesn't exist.

So you get very reasonable moves, unreasonable but tactically justified moves, and unreasonable unjustified moves. I suppose the style could be called inhuman.

Sometimes I suspect I know what they're misevaluating though. In particular I sometimes see stockfish suggesting space gaining moves that aren't good.