Chess is boring! Let's change the rules

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Competitive chess has been boring for the last 120 years!

In the 1800's high level games were much more spectacular. That's what we used to call "romantic chess".

Anderssen would go back to his grave if he were to see what we've done to his beloved game!

But it wasn't our fault... Our game is inherently flawed. Past a certain level you have to forget gambit and attacks and sacrifice. You have to play boring chess. This is what the rules lead to: "The rules of chess don't care about our romanticism".

But what if one small change of rule could make Romantic chess the RIGHT choice?

Let me introduce you to chess 2.0 : Romantic chess

Black king start in front of the white queen. The position is asymetrical.

White can only castle on the right. Black can only castle on the left.

Every game become an opposite side castle.

I've done extensive testing with stockfish this way of playing is both balanced and crazy.

So let's change the rules: You cannot play boring if the right move is the exciting one.

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600 elo I see.

Anyone good enough to understand the implication?

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1000 elo this time.

Anyone with the level to understand what I'm talking about?

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With those rules there may well be a forced win for white!!

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Therefore you got it the wrong way round. It may be viable if white has to 0-0-0 and black must 0-0.

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I usually don't care about rating but you clearly don't get what I'm talking about and all its implication. I'm sorry I don't know if I can have this conversation with you.

Chess is a draw. The more you go up in rating the more you realize what it entails. And why spectacular chess is so rare. Chess as we know it is too solid for romantic Ideal.

But the spirit of chess is romantic. If it wasn't every beauty prize wouldn't go to romantic games. At your level you cannot understand that. Too many mistakes to see the difference between strategic chess and romantic chess.

And above all romantic chess work until a certain point.

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Optimissed wrote:

With those rules there may well be a forced win for white!!

Thanks for the answer!

That's what I thought at first but you can try putting into stockfish the position I posted above. It clearly state 0.2 and start proposing various attacking plan for both side as top moves.

You cannot put the original position but I will post some classic position you can put in stockfish to see his evaluation.

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Anderssen's already in his grave and so he couldn't go back to it. We say that someone would "turn in their grave".

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edited ^

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Stockfish wouldn't be able to work out a forced win, if it existed. Stockfish's positional evaluation is poor. It woukld take a human and then check the ideas with a strong engine.

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Some position:

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You know what? I'd play 1. b4.

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Hum, no, black could play 1. ...e5, 2. ...f6 and castle by hand kingside. You may be right of course.

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long_quach wrote:

@finnsteur

Play chess as a triathlon.

1 game of Western chess.

1 game of Chinese chess. (Chinese chess is another descendant of Chaturanga. It is closer to Chaturanga than Western chess.

1 game of Backgammon as a tie breaker.

I invented this. I call it: The Gamesters of Triskelion.

--> I play both chinese chess and shogi lol. So why not

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I didn't know that in chaturanga at first it was radially assymetric thanks!

In shogi too it is assymetric. I'm sure it help the game a lot.

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@optimissed

- Yes english is not my first language. Thanks. Turn in your grave I see.

- b4 ? Let me try it out. I have to create the whole game until castle before giving it to stockfish.

Even in normal chess b4 is okay so It's probably pretty good here!

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long_quach wrote:

The Chinese chess pawns are in maniple formation.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chinese-chess-came-from-india#comment-87213653

The Rook is direct. The Cannon is indirect.

That will throw you for a loop. There's nothing like it.

That's some Sun Tzu stuff,

Direct and indirect in endless combinations. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

I am very good at chinese chess.

It's a very profound game that managed to keep its romantic Ideals. Most competitive games end in a checkmate.

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Maybe, maybe

Look at this optimissed:

I tried making some normal moves after b4 the position is completely equal (dynamic equality not dead draw).

The problem is that you cannot play b4 --> e5 --> Bb2 like in regular chess. Because the e5 pawn is protected by the queen here. So you have to play b4 --> b5 (a3 seems like a waste of time)

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You cannot change everything at once lol