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BigChessplayer665

Mar 28, 2025

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#101

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If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

Here's the thing is it really a good idea to chose 100% of your actions on your own everyday obviously habits exist :/ that doesn't mean you can't change them

Nobody chooses anything

The universe is like a bomb that exploded in the Big Bang 13 billion years ago, and we are the particles of that bomb that are expanding

I dunno it depends on your version of choice obviously you can't do something like chose to become a elephant the next day there are limits ....the question is how much of them are limits besides it depends on how you define free will it's like saying random generation can't create non random patterns (it can)even if it's true it's probably not true in the way you think

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#102

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

I don't know who the idiots are who are downvoting my initial message.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite, not the universe, which is closed, finite, and deterministic.

You started an argument most people disagree with it's kinda your own fault maybe you should look at your own so called "human stupidity "(not saying your actually stupid btw)

Truth is usually in the minority.

I only trust mathematical certainties, some confirmed scientific theories, and little else.

I don’t believe in scientific consensus because it is often driven by economic interests, but that’s another topic

Sobrukai

Mar 28, 2025

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#103

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

But do you agree that the actual game itself has no element of chance, while the process of improvement doesn’t solely rely on effort?

BigChessplayer665

Mar 28, 2025

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#104

jcidus wrote:

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

I don't know who the idiots are who are downvoting my initial message.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite, not the universe, which is closed, finite, and deterministic.

You started an argument most people disagree with it's kinda your own fault maybe you should look at your own so called "human stupidity "(not saying your actually stupid btw)

Truth is usually in the minority.

I only trust mathematical certainties, some confirmed scientific theories, and little else.

I don’t believe in scientific consensus because it is often driven by economic interests, but that’s another topic

Actually it's usually the middle of both extremes one extreme or the other isn't usually correct it depends tho

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#105

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?

It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.

Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.

I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#106

Sobrukai escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

But do you agree that the actual game itself has no element of chance, while the process of improvement doesn’t solely rely on effort?

In reality, the game itself has no element of chance, but the outcome is already determined by a series of prior factors, over which we have no control

The process of improvement doesn't only depend on effort, as everything is conditioned by factors beyond our control

BigChessplayer665

Mar 28, 2025

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#107

jcidus wrote:

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?

It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.

Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.

I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics

Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe

BigChessplayer665

Mar 28, 2025

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#108

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

But do you agree that the actual game itself has no element of chance, while the process of improvement doesn’t solely rely on effort?

In reality, the game itself has no element of chance, but the outcome is already determined by a series of prior factors, over which we have no control

That's not really luck tho that's just randomness if it's true randomness then a truly determinist universe doesn't exist but we can't necessarily tell if anything's truly random or not since random patterns can create specific outcomes

Sobrukai

Mar 28, 2025

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#109

By prior factors do you mean the moves played or the time taken? Because those are the factors that determine a game, both of which we have control over.

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#110

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

But do you agree that the actual game itself has no element of chance, while the process of improvement doesn’t solely rely on effort?

In reality, the game itself has no element of chance, but the outcome is already determined by a series of prior factors, over which we have no control

That's not really luck tho that's just randomness if it's true randomness then a truly determinist universe doesn't exist but we can't necessarily tell if anything's truly random or not since random patterns can create specific outcomes

It doesn't matter if it's luck or randomness, everything is already decided.

Even though things seem to happen by chance, it's all set from the start.

We have no control over anything, everything that happens was already written.

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#111

Sobrukai escribió:

By prior factors do you mean the moves played or the time taken? Because those are the factors that determine a game, both of which we have control over.

It doesn't matter what moves you make or how much time you spend, everything is already decided.

Whatever you think, things were always going to happen that way, no matter what you do.

StandStarter

Mar 28, 2025

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#112

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

By prior factors do you mean the moves played or the time taken? Because those are the factors that determine a game, both of which we have control over.

It doesn't matter what moves you make or how much time you spend, everything is already decided.

Whatever you think, things were always going to happen that way, no matter what you do.

so our future is set in stone is what you're saying?

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#113

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?

It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.

Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.

I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics

Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe

There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.

I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#114

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

By prior factors do you mean the moves played or the time taken? Because those are the factors that determine a game, both of which we have control over.

It doesn't matter what moves you make or how much time you spend, everything is already decided.

Whatever you think, things were always going to happen that way, no matter what you do.

so our future is set in stone is what you're saying?

Yes, our destiny is written through a mathematical code.

This can be studied through gematria.

The great expert Zachary Hubbard, for example, demonstrated the mathematical death of boxer Muhammad Ali. He predicted the year he would die, and the date also aligns with an impressive mathematical calculation. If you're curious, I can look it up for you.

BigChessplayer665

Mar 28, 2025

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#115

jcidus wrote:

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?

It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.

Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.

I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics

Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe

There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.

I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book

Yes yes I know the issue with neuroscience is outside factors influence it also it honestly depends I doubt we truly know that much about nuroscience yet even if it doesn't seem like free will we can still tweak it yes you can predict something that will happen in the future it depends the issue is we know a lot less then we think we do assuming everysyhings predetermined might be a rushed decision

jcidus

Mar 28, 2025

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#116

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

BigChessplayer665 escribió:

jcidus wrote:

StandStarter escribió:

jcidus wrote:

Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?

It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.

Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.

I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics

Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe

There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.

I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book

Yes yes I know the issue with neuroscience is outside factors influence it also it honestly depends I doubt we truly know that much about nuroscience yet even if it doesn't seem like free will we can still tweak it yes you can predict something that will happen in the future it depends the issue is we know a lot less then we think we do assuming everysyhings predetermined might be a rushed decision

If you want, I can show you the simple way I came to the understanding and certainty that free will doesn't exist. I found numerological and mathematical patterns in nature and in events like terrorist attacks, where certain numbers clearly repeat in an incredible way.

These patterns prove that our reality follows a perfect mathematical order, and that order can be read through the study of gematria and basic numerology

though, of course, the official academic world does not recognize these truths yet. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but anyway, I can explain to you how I arrived at this conclusion if you're interested.

wlee41814

Mar 28, 2025

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#117

Chess is skill

OctopusOnSteroids

Mar 28, 2025

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#118