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Verkaley wrote:

I am not the type of person to vent but I feel so empty . A bit of backstory I started chess a few months ago like 3 and almost 3 and a half months I hear people already being 1500 in 3 months very sad but I don't compare my progress to others. Well I come home from school go to my room and work and study chess. Though truth be told chess just makes me upset it makes me sad and angry the thing I think about all the time I ain't even that good and to be honest I haven't really put as much effort into improving I procrastinate all the times I am so sick of it my mom is the light of my life but my chess goals are blocking the light I stay in my room and chess not totally all day but most of my day I am writing this because I don't know what to do should I stop playing chess or no I most likely won't because my goals make me so exhilarated I can't stop thinking about hitting my goals.... but chess is such a lonely game. I have friends but I kind of stopped talking them to play chess and I even stop playing a lot of games because I am scared of losing rating so I am doing all this studying and not as much playing also I learned an opening I like it but I suck at it I hear that you shouldn't learn openings until a certain level though that sounds like a good idea but everyone at my level I see is always is winning in the opening and getting some good position while me over here trying to play the move in which I think is best just ends up to suck and I am losing I am sticking to principles I know tactics I mean I have spent a lot of time doing chess puzzles also. I think I am just angry because lack of improvement but this emotional connection I have to this game is ruining my life I feel like all I focus on is chess and that is taking away from what really matters. Though at the same time I have nothing better to do with my life no hobbies interest me nothing in life honestly interests me not even video games the only thing that somewhat does is my phone which isn't even a good hobby to have actually I even hate the idea of being on my phone because it makes me feel lazy. So I am here with absolutely no hobbies or interests and I am feeling so directionless and empty inside. I enjoy playing chess in real life a lot I mean a lot the chess atmosphere makes me happy but the thing is chess club where I live (there is only 1) is only on the 1st and 3rd Saturday of the month and Saturdays are busy for me and most people so sometimes I don't even get to go I have probably gone like 2-3 times, and another thing one time when I went, and also to say that this chess club is at my local library, well I went to my local library and instead of playing chess with others I just spent it sitting alone in the library because no one showed up. Even thinking about the chess atmosphere right now makes me feel like I want to play chess I try and think of the positives in chess but its hard because the truth is playing chess online is nothing like the real thing. Today after dinner I came to my room and started to play chess, I played 2 games, the problem with those games was my confidence as soon as I was losing in the beginning I was feeling just so upset and empty I didn't have the will to continue. Another thing is in my second game I drew by repetition what should of been a winning king and pawn endgame because of my lack of endgame knowledge. Now I am sitting here contemplating everything I don't know what to do with my life I feel so empty writing this, I want to continue chess but it seems like it isn't worth it also I want to be good I hear the younger you start the better you will be in the future so I don't want to stop playing get back into it when I am older and be like "I could have probably been a lot better". The sad reality is I feel stuck, empty, and sad. I don't want to quit but I just feel so empty sitting here all alone as my mom is sitting out in the living room just watching TV alone I always hear that a happy life is made with happy relationships but it seems as if I am ruining those relationships now with my friends all they want to do is play video games, and I don't enjoy video games I just feel so so stuck I hate the situation I am in. I probably will keep going but some honesty to shed some light on this situation will help I just want to feel how I felt when I first started playing chess happy and not caring so much about if I won or lost."

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My friend, I know what you feel, because I felt it too. I checked your rating. I believe it is around rapid 1200. The thing is, 1000-1300 is one of the hardest filtering ranges to get past on chess.com. I hit my first frustrating plateau at 1000. It was an up down game. You are doing incredibly well for starting 3 months prior. I started over a year ago, have played around 1815 games on chess.com, played in a few tournaments, and yet, my rating is not more than 1570 rapid. My coach says I am around fide 1300 strength, but he isn't a paid one, and I think he's saying is to improve my confidence.

About age, its sadly true. I am only 15, and I will assume that you are a grown adult. Let me tell you, I also won't get any better than CM level at most, if I study and practice. My friends regard me as a chess genius because I play chess otb at a much higher elo than my online rating.

Do you what I did when things got too frustrating? I stopped. I took breaks. A few days at a time, I refreshed and came back. I won some games, lost some. Its also important not to have elo insecurity. I started playing on lichess for this reason and my lichess rapid is about 1750-1800.

It is important to know that obsessing over chess in a way that is mentally exhausts you can and will hamper your mental health. I have played in a classical chess tournament in the UAE and I know what kind of stress comes along with it. Do physical exercise, it is more rewarding than you think.

Firstly, acknowledge that you are human and that you will make errors. Secondly, acknowledge that your confidence as of now, is very low. I started winning tournaments when I improved my confidence, it sure took some help. I have struggled with confidence and introversion issues, I have always been outcasted and bullied, both among school and elsewhere. I also come from a rather monetarily disadvantaged family. Due to all this, my confidence level is lower than my IQ (which is an achievement). But you see what I did there. A self deprecating joke. I have also suffered from racism.

Why I am outlining all this is so you will understand that if you come from a rather disadvantaged background, it is only natural to 1) have low confidence and 2) be jealous of the people around you. It made me sad for a long time, a very long time. But then, I also had the advantages of being a person with a rather high IQ and very hardworking. For some days, I played chess for seven hours. So I worked and at around the level of 1000, I became burnt out, both in school and chess.

You see, mentally I was already not doing very well at that time, as I was under immense academic pressure and had medium level GERD and other issues. Nobody understood me, mocked me, nobody took what I was going through seriously. On top of this, my chess frustration added to this. In short, I was suffering from burnout, big time.

As in social interaction too, I was disadvantaged. I was always an introverted person, and till recently, I had like no friends. And now the friends I have treat me terribly, except for a couple very loyal friends whom I love dearly. The friends I have now don't want me as a friend, and I find myself often times clinging on to people, being annoying and a general nuisance. Well, let's just say that chess made social interaction a bit better for me, because some of my classmates joined chess and we had like a close group of people who just minded their own thing, cubing or playing chess. Chess was great for me socially, as now I knew people from my district who also fell in love with this game, a beautiful one, yet so equally brutal.

My advice would be to stop for a while. Take a break, reconnect with your loving mom, your friends. Stop studying, especially openings. You don't need them except for basic King and Pawn and some Rook endgames. You are going to experience burnout, you have limitations and disadvantages. Also, never ever ever make the mistake of comparing yourself to others. My confidence took a huge hit because of this. It seems to me that you are highly gifted and hardworking, considering that you managed to reach 1200 within three whole months.

When you feel well, start slowly and continue. Chess is a marathon, not a sprint. Even the calmest of people experience internal turmoil when coming into chess, it is at once among the most brutal of games on this planet. I would call it a sport because of just how excruciatingly mentally and physically demanding it can get. I used to just go home and drop dead after a few classical rounds that were not even long. Speed bumps will occur, mistakes will happen.

And lastly, accept that some people are simply smarter, richer, better. I have trouble accepting this myself. The inequalities that I had to come across glare at me even today. Monetarily, my parents suffered a lot and consequently, inevitably, us. The people I surround with are all doing quite well financially, and till very recently, before things improved, I had some serious disadvantages and missed out on a lot of enriching activities that childhood had to offer. That being said, there are millions that would dream of my life. Intelligence was never an insecurity for me, but financial and social factors certainly were.

Now, you might be wondering why I turned this into a rant of my own, deviating from chess. It is because, if you find yourself in my shoes, please know that you are not alone. This is a very hard game we are playing, and we have to acknowledge that.

I hope you can recover and avoid burnout.

A wannabe sick 15 yr old,

-- Ahmed Aboobacker

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I'm a kid, I'm in school so I really can't devote too much time to chess, I guess that helps me from becoming to engrossed in it.

But I've been playing chess for years and I've still never won a game to a real person, and I've only won against really easy bots (with hints, suggestions, threats, etc. turned on), but I still just try to say to myself every time I lose that I must have done something wrong, and I try to find out what that was and do better next time. Unless you're going to try to go to actual tournaments, it doesn't matter what your rating is. In the end it's just a hobby and there's no point in having a hobby if it isn't enjoyable anymore.

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My response to @trw0311 is thank you for this I totally understand what you are saying, and @Optimissed I ain't someone who has emotional issues I ain't depressed and I also go to the gym daily but I still get angry and sad due to the feeling of stupidity when I make stupid mistakes, and when I am upset or angry I make stupid forum posts like this because I hate the fact I made this post I ain't someone who vents another reason I am upset it because I feel like chess is ruining my relationships with others which isn't right I spend a lot of time trying to get better but instead of putting in the work I procrastinate and it upsets me. To be honest I feel fine but I regret making this forum post as I don't want to be known as someone with emotional issues I posted this thinking some may relate to the anger and frustration of playing chess

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Would it be possible for you to join a club and learn chess by playing with others over the board? Then take a break from online playing and self study. Make chess more social. Start from scratch there.

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The game is soul crushing, and most of the people posting are no help.

So many have a similar lament "I've been playing for 2 weeks, and I'm only 1600 - poor poor me."

Also the advice is terrible: "Don't blunder" Thanks.

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I think this happens in every type of game you play, if you give them enough importance, it's important to do someting else, stop playing for a while, do something you like, this has happened to me in other games, sometimes I just play awful and it makes me feel bad, but I try to stop for a while.

In chess I guess It's important to analyze your games and the mistaked you do, try to do something new.

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@Verkaley don't even think about ratings or winning or losing. don't think about it at all. do what you love because you love it, not because you feel validated.

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Play against bots and practice the puzzles and openings/defenses. I've been playing for 35 years on and off, but have never broken 1000. I was actually more highly rated before I began doing actual openings, but I am getting better.

If you lose a few games, go back to doing puzzles and learning. Yes, it's hella frustrating and disheartening to lose, especially repeatedly, but its at that point that you should take a break.

And always remember those times you played a really good, solid game. You know you can do it again eventually.

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long_quach wrote:
breezehappysquirrel wrote:
LoL why are you this vexed? 

It is no laughing matter. Lol = laugh out loud.

Chess originated in India.

Gambling originated in China.

We are all aware of gambling addiction.

It can happen in chess too.

@breezehappysquirrel

You have to know why people are "vexed".

You are like a car, with a gas and a brake pedal.

If a car has worn brakes, something wrong with the brakes, something wrong with the brake fluids (I'm not a car mechanic, I don't know); I do know about bicycle brakes, when they are worn, you are in trouble. If you cannot stop a bicycle as it goes downhill through a red light, you're dead.


Some people do not have the brakes on their emotions. They are like a car running without brakes. And they cannot stop themselves. And they will crash.

That is why. You must know why.

You say OP's post is long and rambling yet you post long messages like this... the irony

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Also, take time to focus on other things. Hyperfocus on chess will ruin other factors of your life. Take a break.

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A few thoughts to add to the mix:

You mention feeling empty, sad, angry, etc., many times and talk about chess being the only thing that makes you feel good and alive, but that losing makes you feel worse. Optimissed hit the nail on the head - while reading your whole post, I was thinking exactly the same thing. You say you're not depressed, but I'm not sure you have enough life experience to truly recognize the symptoms. My job is counseling people struggling with depression, anxiety, trauma, etc. - everything you describe indicates you may very well be depressed - and that's completely normal, literally everyone feels this way at some point.

Teens are in a life stage where hormones are up, down, all over the place - it's not unusual to feel all the things you're feeling - but a medical check-up or even therapy may help clarify whether you could benefit from medication or just a professional who can help you navigate what you're feeling. It sounds like you have a great relationship with your mom - try talking to her about it. Physical activity, sunlight, vitamin D, social connection, finding other things that you enjoy (creative hobbies or social/physical/outdoor activities) - these are also great ways to work out the anger and boost neurotransmitters that will generally make you feel better. Sounds like you're relying on the dopamine hits from chess to make you feel good right now, but those hits don't last.

Some people are dumping on you for writing such a long post here, but it takes guts to say all these things and actually ask for advice. You did it in an anonymous space and got some feedback; I hope you take the next step and say this to someone who cares about you - in person. FWIW, life is long and unpredictable and you'll probably feel this way many times - learning how to manage this feeling early in life is a much more important skill than chess.

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There are a lot of people who have the same feelings and anxieties as you. At least you're aware of it. If it wasn't one thing it was likely to be another.

I have an idea for you. Instead of having goals like wanting to be really good at chess and getting a good rating, how about having a goal like being happy? Now, one thing when you want to be happy is that it's rather unlike chess. If you think all the time about being happy, you won't be happy. It takes some self-discipline. You may not even know what makes you happy! That sound hard, if you want to be happy and you don't know what makes you happy. Chess can't make you happy ... it has to come from inside you! That's why I said about physical excercise and enjoying the beauties and wonders of the world, even in small things. You don't have to give chess up. Just do lots of other things too and stop worrying about being good at chess. There are far more important things in life.

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Verkaley wrote:

My response to @trw0311 is thank you for this I totally understand what you are saying, and @Optimissed I ain't someone who has emotional issues I ain't depressed and I also go to the gym daily but I still get angry and sad due to the feeling of stupidity when I make stupid mistakes, and when I am upset or angry I make stupid forum posts like this because I hate the fact I made this post I ain't someone who vents another reason I am upset it because I feel like chess is ruining my relationships with others which isn't right I spend a lot of time trying to get better but instead of putting in the work I procrastinate and it upsets me. To be honest I feel fine but I regret making this forum post as I don't want to be known as someone with emotional issues I posted this thinking some may relate to the anger and frustration of playing chess

Now don't start pretending to be in denial. Emotion controls us and it's obviously controlling you. Start denying the obvious and there's no hope for you.

You have to be honest with yourself and obviously you are not being honest.

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@Verkaley

Read my post, you might not find yourself in my shoes, but if you do, then please know that you probably aren't alone.

So if you are not able to relate to me, then just please take a few breaks. Your mental health is at the line here. I know what it feels like to be hooked. All of a sudden my life dissolved into the 64 squares, and I loved it. But I also hit excruciatingly frustrating plateaus.

I burnt out several times last year, not just from chess. If you don't take a break, you are going to burn out, and it won't feel very nice.

When I felt the same thing, I took breaks, a few days at a go. It helped a lot.

Also, for the love of god, studying openings. You don't need them. You seem to be a highly gifted or hardworking individual considering you managed to reach 1200 on chess.com within 3 months. It took me several months to achieve that, and I'm regarded as a chess genius.

Also, develop a good attitude towards your elo. Having elo insecurity hindered me a lot and so I started playing a bit more on lichess.

How about you reconnect with your mom, your friends, your clubs? You can't live from chess. If you try, you could go insane.

Many people have felt this as a punishment for falling in love with such a soul crushingly difficult game, I would fully call chess a sport, because the people who don't play it have no idea how excruciatingly mentally and physically demanding it can get.

So take a few breaks. Stop. You're destroying yourself. You could succeed.