Chess is sport?

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yeah true also many definitions change through out the years as well though to honestly

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YES CHESS IS A SPROT AND UF YOY SAY ITHEWISE
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So declares the king of fools.

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Do someone need to join to my club we are allways playing tournaments

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you calling me a fool?

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chess is very beautifull sport

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There is barely any action. I did rather watch physical sports or E-sports. Watching 2 people play mind games with the same few playstyles is boring imo. Unless there are some brilliant sacrifices, then I wouldn't mind chess.

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I can name a lot of boring activities considered sports. Golf for example. NASCAR. How many times can you watch cars drive around in circles before you change the channel?

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Festerthetester wrote:

I can name a lot of boring activities considered sports. Golf for example. NASCAR. How many times can you watch cars drive around in circles before you change the channel?

Cars aren't that bad. It's exciting to see who wins as it is dependable and there are also cars breaking down or cars crashing.

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But golfs, archery anything that has to be related to standing still are very boring.

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Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

In short, the exclusion of chess because it fails to meet physical criteria is logical, but it rests on assumptions that are culturally grounded. Likewise, the argument that chess is sport is logical, although proceeding from somewhat different assumptions. The debate cannot be resolved conclusively.

Based on the previous discussions, it was concluded chess is not a sport. Pretty much every time this comes up, the same conclusion is reached. Instead of taking just 2 or 3 definitions, or cultural references, it makes more sense to consider ALL of them.

The reasons that chess is not a sport far outweigh the reasons for it being a sport. All the reasons that chess is a sport are flimsy at best (it takes physical effort to move the pieces). So does staring at a wall. That also takes physical effort and burns calories.

But the reasons chess is NOT a sport aren't so easily refuted. Such as running up against the definition of words, the cultural aspects, but most importantly the nature of the game of chess itself. It's purely a mental pursuit.

Unless of course we are talking about bullet chess or something which does take physical skill.

Correction, you reach the same conclusion. You do so by ignoring my arguments and restating your assumption as if it were the logical conclusion. You then proceed to argue against the weakest points on the other side, From these you offer the most ludicrous analogies yet seen in the thread.

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In this case, I am offering only a glimpse at how serious inquiry might proceed/has proceeded contra the facile approach in post #87.

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Eventually, I leave the thread because all reasonable discussion has ended.

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Some of what I quoted in post #89 replicates posts I've made in other similar forums.
Perhaps if you could untangle what you think you are saying with "definition of words, the cultural aspects". You rely on English dictionaries, and only the least comprehensive ones. There are other countries in the world beyond England and the United States. Some of these have been quite clear that chess is a sport.

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Your "exclusivism" is not the only valid point of view.

You leave the discussion for the same reason everyone does. I'll agree that all reasonable discussion has ended. The result is always the same. Chess is not a sport. That is where the discussion ends because there is nowhere else to go. All the arguments end.

Until someone else brings it up again, and the cycle repeats. The "chess is a sport" people always focus on two or three things that they believe reinforce their view. Usually it's a dictionary definition, the IOC, and the notion that playing chess requires burning calories. But all of these get tossed every time because they don't hold up.

It's best to consider ALL dictionary definitions, not just one. It's best to consider ALL organizations, not just the IOC. It's best to consider ALL things that burn calories, not just chess.

The problem that they always run into is that if chess is a sport, then there is no reason for the word sport. Quite literally everything a human does would would be a sport. The word sport is meant to define certain activities, that separate some things people do from other things people do. For example, chess burns calories, therefore it's a sport, right? That makes staring at a wall a sport because it satisfies all their definitions for sport.

The reasons they use to want chess a sport have all been addressed and shown why they don't make chess a sport. It's not that difficult because there are only a handful of them.

The reasons chess is NOT a sport is a different matter. There are many more reasons, and they mostly go ignored or unaddressed. Why are chess sets in the toys and games sections and not the sporting goods? Why is chess not televised or played at sports bars? Why does the rules of chess allow OTHER people to make the moves in their place? Why can the game of chess be played with no physical representations, like a board, clock, or pieces? Chess can be played entirely in the minds of two people, name a single sport where that is possible. Why do most dictionaries exclude activities like chess when defining the word? Why do most dictionaries use descriptions like "physical skill"?

Other than something like a dream competition, chess is about as opposite of sport as one can get. I say the word dream because dreaming is something done entirely in your mind, even though a person may make physical representations of it, like recalling it or describing it the next day.

Sports are literal, physical activities. As your dictionary describes, they can be pastimes, for fun, in jest or recreation. But they are real, they are actual physical activities. The only physical part of chess is the part two people choose to display, such as pieces on a chess board. But they don't have to. Chess is a simulation, there is nothing that actually happens. No ball was put into a basket, no race car crosses a finish line, no bulltet that pierces a target, etc. The only proof that a chess game even existed is what people choose to record it. Since a chess game is a competition between two minds, and not two bodies, the game itself doesn't require that record. The goal, the winner, isn't determined by a physical outcome like all sport require.

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If you examine your own logic, you’ll see that the end of any sporting contest results in nothing. Just a score and a story in the newspaper.

American football and boxing might differ, however, because both create a great many brain injuries.

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It's classified as a sport in France and receives all the monetary benefits of being a sport. I even read a study that you can lose more than 5000 calories from one day of playing an in-person chess tournament just cause your brain works so damn hard, but perhaps also because of stress and anxiety lol. I mean, online it can be classified as an e-sport.

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chess is an emotion ❤️

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Ziryab wrote:

If you examine your own logic, you’ll see that the end of any sporting contest results in nothing. Just a score and a story in the newspaper.

American football and boxing might differ, however, because both create a great many brain injuries.

No. And that's the difference. With a sporting event there is a real and tangible outcome. A runner crosses a finish line, a ball goes through a net, etc. Those are required physical outcomes. With chess, no such physical outcome is necessary. The board, the pieces, the clock, etc are physical representations of the game, but they aren't necessary. They only exist to make the game of chess easier to see and understand. But they aren't necessary. The game is played entirely in the minds of the two opponents. The pieces are just visual aides.

In sports that is impossible. It's impossible to tell someone "hey, I want this golf ball to go into that hole" and have that be the result. You have to physically do it yourself. In sports it's the physical skill that determines the winner, in chess its the mental skill that determines the winner.

Look at it this way. In sports, take away all the physical aspects of the game. Take any sport, a shooting sport for example because I know you like to shoot. Take away the gun, take away the bullets, take away the target. Can you still engage in that shooting sport? Can you still determine a winner? My guess is no because if you did, every competitor would say he had a bullseye every single time. Now take chess. Take away the board, the pieces, and the clock. Can you still play a competitive game of chess with a clear winner? Yes, of course. People do it all the time with blindfold chess.

This is why the reasons chess is a sport are so easily made short work of. And this is why the reasons chess is not a sport always prevail. You can't change the nature of sports, and you can't change the nature of chess.

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Chessentine wrote:

It's classified as a sport in France and receives all the monetary benefits of being a sport. I even read a study that you can lose more than 5000 calories from one day of playing an in-person chess tournament just cause your brain works so damn hard, but perhaps also because of stress and anxiety lol. I mean, online it can be classified as an e-sport.

Yes. preparing for a tax audit is much the same way. Burns lots of calories and is very stressful, because you brain is working so hard. Lots of anxiety too.

So far there has been no clear explanation as to why France does not include tax audit preparation as a sporting event.

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I think we can classify chess as a mind sport, one of the best types of sports