Chess pieces' values

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For example, there is a rook, a king, 2 passed pawns vs a king, queen and an undeveloped pawn. In this case, both of them will overload the opponent queen. One of our pawns will promote. Then, exchange and material advantage.

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Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

I am explaining to you and the others as well who will read this. Maybe the opponent queen is weak or overloaded or doesn't have a defense or counterattack. Maybe our passed pawn will promote and give material advantage to us.

This still doesn't make any sense at all.

Maybe your pawn won't promote after all. Maybe you will get checkmated before the pawn promotes. Even if it promotes (which is a big "if"), it will be a queen, not more than a queen.

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Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

For example, there is a rook, a king, 2 passed pawns vs a king, queen and an undeveloped pawn. In this case, both of them will overload the opponent queen. One of our pawns will promote. Then, exchange and material advantage.

Absolutely not. In most positions, a queen + pawn combo wins easily against a rook and 2 pawns. No contest. Those 2 pawns have to be extremely close to queening to change that.

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That's what I said. And technically, I mentioned the undeveloped pawn.

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This black pawn might be developed a little bit but white is winning.

This is an example. It might occur someday. Activation of pieces really matters.

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Now, if you still don't agree, fine! How about we discuss about the value of the pieces in these boards you see. Don't be surprised if it's not real. You have to judge the value of these pieces in these positions.

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Fine, I will make it real to make sure you aren't surprised or confused. Now judge the value of these pieces. Just follow your mind if it is hard to judge.

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This tip might help you; check how activated the pieces are.

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Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

A pawn is more valuable than a queen if it is a passed pawn.

This was your original post. No mention that the pawn can't be stopped. No mention that it's close to queening. It was just complete nonsense. Nothing will change that.

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I said don't argue. And I completely understand. It is partially my and your fault. Next time, I will keep in mind. Detailed is the answer. Please stop arguing now. And, would you like to the judge the pieces in the latest position I sent?

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Better be relevant and kind. 😊

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Jahnavi-Shankar, on your position that you showed: if it's white's turn, they alredy have a queen in 1 move, it makes no sense to say that the pawn promotes into a queen, you already up a rook. But: if it's black's turn, I would argue about a winning position. Black's queen will permanently check you, and I don't see a way for white to escape all the checks, while keeping your pawns alive. Also, it seems weird to me that you say a pawn developed, because a pawn is not a single piece, that can be developed, and stay strong somewhere on the board

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I think the current value system is very good. One pawn (almost) always loses against a bishop/knight. One bishop/knight (almost) always loses to a rook. One rook (almost) always loses to a queen. A queen (almost) always loses to two rooks.
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The second position you sent makes no sense, because white already up a piece, and their h-pawn is unstoppable. It makes no sense to say that white is completely winning

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Fetorenczi, actually in most of endgames that envolve two rooks against one queen, it's a draw. Often wins a side that has a passed pawn, but this endgame is pretty much drawish

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nine is more than nine if it started as one.

Nope.

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What i think:

1 King (The best, no King: No chess games)

2 Queen (Super powerfull piece!)

3 Rook

4 Bishop

5 Knight

6 Pawn

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Nilslomattsing skrev:

What i think:

1 King (The best, no King: No chess games)

2 Queen (Super powerfull piece!)

3 Rook

4 Bishop

5 Knight

6 Pawn

(The pawn is still good)

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Good thinking, everyone. How about you judge the value of a good bishop and a bad bishop.

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Usually, having 2 good and active bishops together might act like a queen if it is unstoppable. That's why, there is double bishop advantage.