Chess pieces' values

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Jahnavi-Shankar

Even though the king has infinite value, it still has less mobility than queens, rooks or bishops. What do you think the king's value could be?

silviosponza
Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

Quite complex research you've got. Mind blowing work you've done.

It's easy to do research when the computer does the work . I wrote a scientific paper, that's how I learned to do research with computers .

When I play often manage to see a checkmate in five moves in half a minute , but I often fail to see that I'm losing a piece in one move in half a minute .

silviosponza
Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

Even though the king has infinite value, it still has less mobility than queens, rooks or bishops. What do you think the king's value could be?

1,5 pawn , if King is active in the endgame as one piece more it is enough to bring victory .

How Anatoly Karpov was win with aktive King in endgame

technical_knockout

here's my contribution to the discussion:

a promoted pawn is worth +8 since you do in fact trade in that pawn for the new queen you get. 🥷

silviosponza
technical_knockout wrote:

here's my contribution to the discussion:

a promoted pawn is worth +8 since you do in fact trade in that pawn for the new queen you get. 🥷

because that I wrote " medium endgame calculus " at post #76 , medium is when pawns is on fourth and fifth row , but I certainly respect your experience because you have about 300 rating points more than me

Can you win endgame with King and two knights versus King and pawn maximum in 100 moves ( post #79 ) ? Stockfish 17 at depth 58 finds win in 37 moves ( post #79 )

silviosponza

In the video at the link Engine tournament from opening King's fianchetto with black piece s

it can be seen that the Raubfisch X48e engine default setting have a more losing game in the tournament than the Raubfisch X48e engine with changed piece values ​​among other things

silviosponza
Jahnavi-Shankar wrote:

How about a queen vs two rooks?

an opening in which some engines play the variant of two rook against a queen

Jahnavi-Shankar

I wonder what is the oldest chess piece?

Jahnavi-Shankar

The oldest chess name is Chatranga.

Jahnavi-Shankar

If 2 white pawns on the seventh rank and a black Rook trying to defend, either turn is winning for white.

technical_knockout

it's winning even if they are on the 6th rank, if the enemy king cannot help stop them.

Jahnavi-Shankar

Yes. Passed pawns shouldn't be 1 point each in these type of situations.

technical_knockout

material count no longer matters once you reach a won position... all that matters after this point is the quality of your technique. 🥷

silviosponza
technical_knockout wrote:

material count no longer matters once you reach a won position... all that matters after this point is the quality of your technique. 🥷

Of course, it is mainly material that is taken into account when it is not possible to calculate in advance so many moves that give victory

Jahnavi-Shankar

This is the order from the oldest to the youngest chess piece.

King – The centerpiece of chess since its earliest form in Chaturanga (6th century India). Its movement has remained largely the same.

Rook – Originating as a chariot in ancient Indian and Persian chess (Shatranj), it has long symbolized mobility and power.

Knight – Based on mounted cavalry, it has existed since Chaturanga, though its modern L-shaped move developed later.

Bishop – Originally representing an elephant in early Indian chess, it transitioned into the diagonal-moving piece we know today.

Pawn – Pawns existed in early chess but gained promotion abilities much later in European versions.

Queen – The most powerful piece today was originally weaker, evolving in the 15th century when European players transformed it into its modern form.

Jahnavi-Shankar

And their values in the past.

18th century (Modenese School): The earliest standard values were established, with the queen valued at 9 points, rook at 5, bishop and knight at 3, and pawn at 1.

19th century (Howard Staunton & others): Some early sources suggested slightly different values, such as the queen being worth 9.94, rook 5.48, bishop 3.50, knight 3.05, and pawn 1.00.

Early 20th century (Hermann Vogler): Some theorists experimented with alternative values, such as the queen being worth 10 points, rook 5.84, bishop 3.53, knight 2.89, and pawn 0.5.

MaestroDelAjedrez2025

Actually, queens are worth 9 , rooks 5, bishops and knights 3 each, and pawns 1

Jahnavi-Shankar

I don't agree in the 20th century theory.

technical_knockout

https://www.chess.com/lessons/advanced-piece-values

lesson by komodo's creator, larry kaufman:

comments section discusses this in depth.

Jahnavi-Shankar
technical_knockout wrote:

https://www.chess.com/lessons/advanced-piece-values

lesson by komodo's creator, larry kaufman:

comments section discusses this in depth.

When did you find that?