Chess title is harder to get than to be a doctor or lawyer

And just like a lot of subjects although rare people can get really good that them super fast and others struggle to make any progress at all sometimes

I don't know being a independent lawyer can be pretty challenging my uncle lost that job...

The fact that a child can easily reach FM level by the age of 10 but an adult can never reach FM level proves chess is easy for children and we must also remember the child still has to go to school and do his school homework and does not have the whole day for practicing chess

You are wrong again! I have played more games than you. On lichess where I have an elo rating of almost 2000 I have played over 18000 games and I have played over 10000 bullet games on other websites such as icc, playchess.com etc. i rarely play on chess.com because there is time lag, pieces do not move smoothly etc. In india there are millions of children with elo rating over 1500 and they have not even reached the age of 10. As an adult you cannot improve that much as proven by all club players and books and videos cannot help you much. Even I owe my chess skill to early start. If course, a doctor and lawyer do not see the point spending their valuable time on chess where every single minute matters to them in life.

Anyways, to us chess can only be a hobby and we must spend as much time as we do on any other hobby otherwise we are wasting our time by dwelling on chess in an idle way. Of course, matters differ for strong GMs and super GMs as they make a living from chess but even at FM level chess can still be only a hobby as FMs can hardly make any noticeable money from chess. A doctor or lawyer value their time and they never spend it excessively on chess or other hobbies. Where a chess player is almost of no use to humanity lawyers and doctors are saving lives everyday and our survival somewhat depends on them. As Anand said if you are not a GM by the ages 12 these days you’d best forget it meaning chess can only be a hobby and pastime for you. Now comparing a hobby with a doctor’s or lawyer’s job is really ridiculous.

I dunno I had an adult that started at covid he's around 2000 elo now he was just as good as me until recently so yes I think some adults don't improve but adults are also more likely to improve the wrong way especially when they have other things they need to get better at like their job

As an adult you have to figure out things yourself more as a kid you sorta can just listen to everyone else and learn from that like how a progedy doesn't have to be creative they can just mimic expert level play and get really good tbh I did start late for chess but I'm improving faster than most of the 12-13 year old kids for no good reason (around highschool age (

Well, that's the thing. In theory, I completely agree with you. I think most children have huge potential, when it comes to chess. Start young, be motivated, and have excellent guidance? They'll skyrocket, for sure.

But I believe there needs to be that "sweet spot" combination of love for the game, work ethic, and proper guidance/instruction. And I'd guess that the majority of kids who play chess don't have these in full amounts.

They might have some of one and some of the other ... but "some" of this likely isn't enough.

So when people say "It's so easy for kids to master chess!" I don't fully agree. I know many kids, in person, who love to play chess, but none of them are close to master level.

I think master-level children are more rare than people think. With the way it's talked about on the forums, you'd think there are 10-year-old FMs in every other household ...

Yes lol a lot of kids and teenagers I know are like 1200 max the only reason I'm good is cause I used to grind videogames consistently so I already knew it to deal with tilt (also the fact that I learn fast ) sure it is easier when your a kid but the thing that adults have that kids don't can be those things like work ethic,motivation,etc that's why it is probably better to start chess around 12-15 ish because it is easier to learn those things than if your just a kid (unless your really talented then starting as early as possible helps )

A chess title is for the best players in the world. Besides, why would best players play if they had no motivation? I's very difficult, and that's what motivates young kids to achieve it, while most adults will not get it.

Fundamentally it all goes back to the power of the brain of children as opposed to adults’. A child can master even 10 languages to mother tongue level and speak them with ultimate ease and without accent while for an adult this could sound like a miracle. Chess is like language: when you start learning it early in life it is very easy and progress is extremely fast. I have known thousands of adult club players over many years and we regulary play against each other in tournaments. When I jplayed in my first tournament in 2007 my teammates elo ranged from 1500-2100 elo, now after the passage of 18 years their elo rating is still almost the same: in one season they go up 50 elo and in the next season they come up 50 elo. At best the ones who have been practicing hard have been able to gain an average rating of 100-150 in 18 years with some rare ones who have managed to improve from 1600elo to 1800 and one or two who have gone up from 1800 to 1900. More or less this is the best adult learners can hope to achieve. However, I remember playing against this 9 year old child who had a rating of 1500 and I could easily beat him. Surprisingly, the same child in a matter of two years reached an elo of 2070 making him impossible to beat over the board and well-experienced adults 2000-2100 elo players in their 30s and 40s felt very proud of themselves if they could only draw against him. A child in two years went up from 1500 to almost 2100 elo whereas most of my own team mates had failed to gain even 200 elo rating in 18 years!

…failed to gain even 200 elo in 18 years!

Lol sounds like what happened to me

Minus being nine I'm too old for nine like even my age is considered too late and I'm practically still a kid and I'm improving faster than them for a reason I'm confused about like I wanna know how a person that's 8-12 years older than a kid can improve faster than that cause it might be helpful for some adults to

I do agree that it's easier to stay a practicing lawyer than it is to maintain a GM-level rating.

Simply because you cannot get serious $$$ from chess, unless you make it at the 2700+ elite.

Yes, because hardly can an IM or GM make any good money from chess so hardly do anyone waste their time on chess. However, if it were possible to make huge amount of money from chess like doctors and lawyers do then everyone would become a GM.

Chess is useless for society. I love how it turns into a competitive game where it consumes your money, and time while you are still struggling to make money from chess. Society needs more doctors and lawyers, not these 64-square masters. 64-square masters are like people who learned complex math that may not be applied to real life, except if you are in the top 30 strongest players

Useless things for society don't survive for 1000+++ years.

In a proper society lawyers should not even exist. They exist because the law doesn't work properly and our society is flawed.

Complex math cannot be applied in real life? What? If not complex math we would never have all that technical progress. Learn the subject.

You're saying chess is useless. How about music and art? Also useless?

Im hearing this from a guy who does twitch 💀💀

#57 I'm hearing from a guy who makes money out of Twitch is insane. Making money through it is next to the most useless job ever. But let me answer your questions.

Chess is meant to be a fun game, but then people took it seriously which makes people invest more money and time when they will not get anything in the future. I rarely see any young players continue their chess career when they are over 18, society needs lawyers and doctors, and they save billions of dollars and lives.

The law is the law, deal with it. If you are so salty about flawed laws then set up a new nation and create your own rules. They used the flawed rules to save defendants which is why they are important.

Have you ever used complex math before in real life? no. Loads of space equations, are they all real or is able to be proven in actual space? No. Complex math may invent loads of new inventions, but for someone like you and me, we are normal humans, not Einstein. We have to deal with fire, and natural disasters, and get more survival skills, that is the spirit of mankind, not those Arabic-like scriptures.

Are Music and art useless? No, they were never useless and I never said they were, are you changing the topic?