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game_designer
TRextastic wrote:

Why did you write a novel on intellectual property law? I don't understand what this has to do with chess. Chess is over 1,000 years old. It's not patented and can never be patented. It can't even be covered under basic copyright law. You could make "Tazmanian Devil Chess" and have it be no different than chess, sell it, and no one would be able to sue you or claim you're infringing on any rights (other than Warner Bros. for infringing on their rights to the Tasmanian Devil character). On top of that, any chess variant is just a rip-off of chess. Why should you be able to own the rights to it? If you take the Facebook logo and just change the color, you would get so sued. You're not creating anything.

I am making a new game girl

Start reading from post # 1 if you want to understand

game_designer

The exception to the rule

If you change any rule it is going to affect the game

Here is an example, it is a well known game between Fischer and Petrosian

It is often called The Four Queens Game

After black plays Bg4 in the early opening stockfish gives the best move for white as d4

White however plays h3 and a few moves later black plays d4

With my rule the black pawn on d4 is a blocking pawn.

It stops the pawn jump c2-c4, it does not however stop the pawn step c2-c3.

Later white plays a3 and b4 to open up lines on the Queen side, b4 however creates a weakness on c3 which black exploits with his Knight

White finally does play c2-c4, this would not be possible with my rule

If I was playing the game using my rule after Bg4 by black I would play d4 and never allow black to play d4

I would not, using my rule, play b2-b4 creating a huge hole on c3 and saddling me with a backward pawn on c2

My rule does affect the pawn structure, as does the en passant rule in chess

But the rules are not the same, and the effect of both rules is subtle and different

 

game_designer

lfPatriotGames

"I don't think that I will ever make money from the game, money is not the point, the point is to make a game that some people will enjoy playing over the course of several centuries.

I do not however think that it is fair for me to publish my game and certain people then exploit it for financial gain without even so much as saying thank you."

 

I dont understand this part. I understand wanting recognition for something you do but I dont understand saying you dont care about the money, and at the same time, dont want someone else to gain financially.

If you were really serious about "make a game that some people will enjoy playing over the course of several centuries" and you dont care about or expect any money, then just do it. I have volunteered in the past, and still currently volunteer, to plant trees on both private and public property. I nuture them to good health until they are able to survive on their own. I bear 100% of the cost and time to do it, and almost all of the time no one knows I do it, where I do it, or when I do it.  I do it because, like you, I want something people may enjoy for centuries. Now if I wanted to enjoy it, then I would want recognition, but the point is for OTHER people to enjoy it, not me. My enjoyment is doing it anonymously so that no one knows I did it. I realize that maybe 50 years from now someone will cut the tree down and profit from it, without my knowldege or consent. Which means they will get all the money while I was the one that made it possible for them to profit. Who cares. In the meantime countless people will enjoy it and I get to sit back knowing that I made it happen. Like you said, the point is enjoyment, not money.

game_designer

@IfPatriotGames

If you spend years writing a book you are automatically protected as soon as you put pen to paper.

Same thing with painting, brush to canvas, or the modern way graphical design using a computer, it is protected as soon as you create it, automatically, you do not even have to do anything.

But if you spend years creating a game you are not entitled to any rights.

So anybody can do whatever, no problem, really?

I am not a greedy person.

But the sly creatures and politicians will not control my game.

Same goes for anybody else that will try to milk it for financial reasons.

I am quite a laid back person.

But when I sense that something is wrong or if I get the wrong vibes from certain types of people, well then I change.

I have already made my mind up, if all else fails, I take it with me to the grave.

Note that I said nothing about the players, they are the innocent party in all of this.

Years ago I already decided that they will always be able to play for free. 

lfPatriotGames
game_designer wrote:

@IfPatriotGames

If you spend years writing a book you are automatically protected as soon as you put pen to paper.

Same thing with painting, brush to canvas, or the modern way graphical design using a computer, it is protected as soon as you create it, automatically, you do not even have to do anything.

But if you spend years creating a game you are not entitled to any rights.

So anybody can do whatever, no problem, really?

I am not a greedy person.

But the sly creatures and politicians will not control my game.

Same goes for anybody else that will try to milk it for financial reasons.

I am quite a laid back person.

But when I sense that something is wrong or if I get the wrong vibes from certain types of people, well then I change.

I have already made my mind up, if all else fails, I take it with me to the grave.

Note that I said nothing about the players, they are the innocent party in all of this.

Years ago I already decided that they will always be able to play for free. 

And that is why I dont think you are at all serious. If all else fails you take it to the grave? If you are so concerned about getting credit for whatever it is you want to do, that is obviously your right. But it's more about that than providing something that other people will enjoy. Besides, from what I can tell it's the game of chess with a rule change. It's highly unlikely anyone would even be interested since chess has already been invented.

notmtwain
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I dont understand this part. I understand wanting recognition for something you do but I dont understand saying you dont care about the money, and at the same time, dont want someone else to gain financially.

If you were really serious about "make a game that some people will enjoy playing over the course of several centuries" and you dont care about or expect any money, then just do it.

I have volunteered in the past, and still currently volunteer, to plant trees on both private and public property. I nurture them to good health until they are able to survive on their own. I bear 100% of the cost and time to do it, and almost all of the time no one knows I do it, where I do it, or when I do it.  I do it because, like you, I want something people may enjoy for centuries. Now if I wanted to enjoy it, then I would want recognition, but the point is for OTHER people to enjoy it, not me. My enjoyment is doing it anonymously so that no one knows I did it. I realize that maybe 50 years from now someone will cut the tree down and profit from it, without my knowldege or consent. Which means they will get all the money while I was the one that made it possible for them to profit. Who cares. In the meantime countless people will enjoy it and I get to sit back knowing that I made it happen. Like you said, the point is enjoyment, not money.

Have you read the short story "The Man Who Planted Trees" by Jean Giano? That is one of my favorites.

lfPatriotGames

No, but I will look for it right now. thank you.

game_designer
lfPatriotGames wrote:
game_designer wrote:

@IfPatriotGames

If you spend years writing a book you are automatically protected as soon as you put pen to paper.

Same thing with painting, brush to canvas, or the modern way graphical design using a computer, it is protected as soon as you create it, automatically, you do not even have to do anything.

But if you spend years creating a game you are not entitled to any rights.

So anybody can do whatever, no problem, really?

I am not a greedy person.

But the sly creatures and politicians will not control my game.

Same goes for anybody else that will try to milk it for financial reasons.

I am quite a laid back person.

But when I sense that something is wrong or if I get the wrong vibes from certain types of people, well then I change.

I have already made my mind up, if all else fails, I take it with me to the grave.

Note that I said nothing about the players, they are the innocent party in all of this.

Years ago I already decided that they will always be able to play for free. 

And that is why I dont think you are at all serious. If all else fails you take it to the grave? If you are so concerned about getting credit for whatever it is you want to do, that is obviously your right. But it's more about that than providing something that other people will enjoy. Besides, from what I can tell it's the game of chess with a rule change. It's highly unlikely anyone would even be interested since chess has already been invented.

It's 8 rule changes, and some of those are groups of changes meaning say #5 is more than one specific rule

In this forum I have only disclosed rules #7 and #8 both of these are minor rule changes

I have not disclosed the important stuff

If they don't want to play it then that is their decision, has nothing to do with me.

Perhaps you are not aware of this, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of types of chess

Western chess is only one out of many, but they all come from the same source.

For example, hardly anybody plays western chess in Japan but 15 million play Shogi (Japanese Chess)

Western chess was not invented, it evolved from earlier types of chess, the oldest chess known is Chaturanga. more than 1,500 years ago and there was probably earlier versions before that but nobody knows. 

Cherub_Enjel

This is a thread about absolutely nothing - it's devolved into arguing about nothing

Just finish making the game already, and if it's any good, you'll make money off of it. 

 

game_designer
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

This is a thread about absolutely nothing - it's devolved into arguing about nothing

Just finish making the game already, and if it's any good, you'll make money off of it. 

 

Actual game already made.

Now it's all the other stuff, legal, engines, websites, etc

game_designer
StupidGM wrote:

En Passant prevents a pawn from skating to the queening square without being captured by its adversaries.  The threat of this is what is present at all times.  Without it, chess would barely be the same game. 

You do not understand my rule, it does the same thing.

game_designer
lfPatriotGames wrote:

No, but I will look for it right now. thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Planted_Trees

Plot

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macer75
btickler wrote:
macer75 wrote:

Fight! Fight! Fight!

You watched a lot of reality TV growing up, I'm guessing.  Stick with Flavor Flav or that guy from Poison...I'm sure it's more entertaining.

You guessed wrong. And what the hell is Poison?

macer75

But anyway, all of this fighting must be tiring for everyone involved! It certainly would be for me. So I say that we should all take a break from this bickering and do something else for a change, such as supporting my campagin for chess.com staff!

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/support-my-campaign-for-chess-com-staff-member

game_designer
macer75 wrote:
btickler wrote:
macer75 wrote:

Fight! Fight! Fight!

You watched a lot of reality TV growing up, I'm guessing.  Stick with Flavor Flav or that guy from Poison...I'm sure it's more entertaining.

You guessed wrong. And what the hell is Poison?

@macer75

Hi man

I blocked him

He is very abusive

He can't post here anymore

Warlord

[Edit]

I blocked you as well for spamming that stupid message.

If you had actually read some of the posts in this topic then you would have seen that he had been blocked, but you did not, you just quickly spammed twice, so you were blocked.

game_designer

and so the seed has now been sown ...

Warlord

Final Wars

Sir_Connery

Game_designer what a wonderful idea! 

 

You have inspired me to make my own chess-like game. Only I have doubled the amount of rule changes! My game will go down in history as the most novel and sophisticated game ever designed. It will be enjoyed by laymen and kings alike. I'm sure it will also hinder if not totally obliterate the video game industry and any competing board games since people will not simply want to do anything else but bask in the glory that is my game called, Chess-non-Passant.  ( I have now thus legally copyrighted it) ( btw anyone reading this after 2050 when my game is set to release and if you try to hack this post to erase the patent I also have a patent in paper form in a vault in an undisclosed location, just to let ya know wink.png.)

 

Now for a taste of things to come ! I don't want to disclose too much but I will drop a rule every 10 years or so.

 

1. There is no en-passant rule! More like, you shall not pass! Right, guys? (maybe you shouldn't have disclosed such a revolutionary rule change game_designer, I'm sorry but I just have to include it)

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Did you think I was gonna reveal anything more? Ha, I'm not gonna do the same mistake game_designer did. Those dirty capitalist pigs ain't taking anything from me!

game_designer

@sir_connery

You have been blocked.

Goodbye

Warlord

HKPP
It is forbidden to patent rules of a game. Now you can sleep.
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