Chess will never be solved, here's why

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tygxc wrote:

#6
Chess is a draw
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf 

 

Amazing and thank you!

 

Elroch

I think both torpedo and pawn sideways rules should be added.

Elroch
GQV1N wrote:

yes! but isnt he a guy? every time I say I'm from there they think of the singer and not the island ☠️

She's all woman. 😁

Kampfjet

I just came here to say Hi

idilis
Kampfjet wrote:

I just came here to say Hi

Probably the biggest reason why chess won't be solved. Too many distractions

idilis
Optimissed wrote:

*Snip*Now where was that whisky .... I had a bottle of Cardhu Gold Reserve single malt? Oh got it. never tasted it before a week ago. Asda had it for £25 a bottle and I thought I'd try it. Went right back for another one and one of Old Pulteney, similarly reduced.

Elroch

One of my favourite artistes to listen to while running.

Mike_Kalish

I'm more of a country music guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_zS_uiPWxs

PDX_Axe

Optimissed wrote:

"Now where was that whisky .... I had a bottle of Cardhu Gold Reserve single malt? Oh got it. never tasted it before a week ago. Asda had it for £25 a bottle and I thought I'd try it. Went right back for another one and one of Old Pulteney, similarly reduced."

I'm a fan of Laphroaig myself, as I really like the smokey peat notes.  And it doesn't hurt that the price is generally reasonable too.  Cheers!

PDX_Axe

I'm more than 3 times old enough.  Here's to being 21, 44 years ago lol.

 

tygxc

@6175
"games that have been won by a successful (often sacrificial) attack on the king?"
++ A successful direct attack on the king can only succeed if one player neglects his defence, i.e. does not play optimally. Alekhine selected Bogolyubov not because he was stronger than Capablanca, Nimzovich, or Rubinstein, but because he was weaker.
Queening a pawn is at top level a more feasible way to win.

tygxc

@6163

"Even if a computer would solve chess, which I doubt" ++ A matter of money.

"because the possible "reasobable" positions is estimated to be around 10^120"
++ No, 10^44 legal positions of which 10^17 relevant.

"humanly impossible to memorize"
++ It may be impossible to memorize 10^17 positions or 10^15 games, but memorizing 10,000 games or about a million positions in a few months is possible.

"possible themes and strategies in every perfect game the engine provides"
++ Yes, maybe Chess can be solved by a set of e.g. 1000 rules, like Connect Four was weakly solved with 9 knowledge rules.

Elroch

No-one can memorise a million positions in a few months. That is a position every few seconds all day long 7 days a week.

A million positions in a lifetime by an exceptionally talented person? Maybe.

A million is a tiny number to chess.

Regarding the rest of what you say, I'll just observe that repeating your errors after they have been pointed out is pathological behaviour, not reasoning.

MARattigan
tygxc wrote:

++ A successful direct attack on the king can only succeed if one player neglects his defence, i.e. does not play optimally. ...

So where did Black neglect his defence in the game I posted here Mister 2046?

Back to the validity of your basic calculation, I invited you here to "Show it or shut it". You have done neither so far. Do you plan to?

MARattigan
Optimissed wrote:
PDX_Axe wrote:

I'm more than 3 times old enough.  Here's to being 21, 44 years ago lol.

 

Next year I'll be four times old enough. 72.

You haven't told us where your moles are yet.

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:

No-one can memorise a million positions in a few months. That is a position every few seconds all day long 7 days a week.

A million positions in a lifetime by an exceptionally talented person? Maybe.

A million is a tiny number to chess.

Regarding the rest of what you say, I'll just observe that repeating your errors after they have been pointed out is pathological behaviour, not reasoning.

A million in a lifetime? It's a big number. 20,000 a year for 50 years. 60 a day. Maybe someone with a prodigious memory could. Unlikely ever to happen in practice.

The number is based on a specific example. Magnus Carlsen has been said to be able to recall about 10,000 games that he has studied. He is extremely impressive when asked to recognise positions from historical games.

tygxc

@6256
"So where did Black neglect his defence in the game I posted?"
++That is easy: 31...Kf7? hangs a piece.

tygxc

@6175
Here too 17 Qg4? neglects the defense. Necessary was 17 Bc1 to defend pawn f4.
On g4 the queen will later have to flee before 23...Rdg8 and 24...Bc8.
That fuels the black attack against the undefended white king.
The point is that a direct attack against the king cannot succeed against optimal play.
Queening a pawn is a more feasible aim.

Bogolyubov was not in the same league as Alekhine, Capablanca, Nimzovich, or Rubinstein.
Take for example the Carlsbad 1929 tournament just before the match.

  1. Nimzovich
  2. Capablanca
  3. Spielmann
  4. Rubinstein
  5. Becker
  6. Vidmar
  7. Euwe
  8. Bogolyubov

'After such a result Alekhine will have to give me odds and thus I will be World Champion' - Bogolyubov

tygxc

@6255

"No-one can memorise a million positions"
++ All humans speak at least one language.
A language contains about a million words.
Why could a human not memorise 10,000 games i.e. about a million positions?
Standard match preparation is to study all games of the opponent.

DiogenesDue
tygxc wrote:

@6255

"No-one can memorise a million positions"
++ All humans speak at least one language.
A language contains about a million words.
Why could a human not memorise 10,000 games i.e. about a million positions?
Standard match preparation is to study all games of the opponent.

As you often do, you are disproving your own point by misapplying a premise.

For English, there are about half a million words in the biggest dictionaries. of which less than 200,000 are actually in common or even uncommon usage.  The average individual only uses about 30,000 words.