The rule is: 'Other things being equal, any material gain, no matter how small, means success'.
Where do you mention further calculation or evaluation?
Any remote chance of answering my original question, "What other things are not equal here, pray?"
@7450
Other things are not equal: it already is a draw per 5.2.2.
There can be no success as it already is a draw.
Besides it is not my rule, it is Capablanca's.
Moreover it is a position of 3 men and all positions of 7 men or less are strongly solved.
@7450
Other things are not equal: it already is a draw per 5.2.2.
What is not equal about a draw?
There can be no success as it already is a draw.
Exactly - your rule is duff.
Besides it is not my rule, it is Capablanca's.
Moreover it is a position of 3 men and all positions of 7 men or less are strongly solved.
Nothing in your rule (or FIDE's rules) about 7 men.
You still don't understand what strongly solved means and you're offering to solve chess!
@Optimissed: @tygxc's brain is missing.
@7453
"What is not equal about a draw?" ++ There can be no success as it already is a draw.
"you quote a bum rule" ++ I quote a Capablanca rule, so you are the bum.
"Nothing in your rule about 7 men."
++ This thread is about weakly solving chess i.e. from 32 to 8 men.
"You still don't understand what strongly solved means"
++ I understand that, you do not.
Strongly solved is being used for a game for which a strategy has been determined to achieve the game-theoretic value against any opposition.
That is what the 7-men endgame table base has done for all positions with 7 men or less.
Was that meant to be an answer to the question by any chance?
The way it is resolved is for each position you enlist an amateur human chessplayer to make a proclamation as to whether "other things are equal". No great strength required, @tygxc will do.
Unfortunately, due to having to do this with quintillions of positions (according to @tygxc), it will be necessary to greatly increase the human population - Earth will NOT be enough room - in order to (fail to) solve chess according to @tygxc's program.
I hate to put a damper on this project, but there is no sane definition of "other things are equal" that would work. Not only are almost all positions assymetric in complex ways that are not easily balanced, even the perfectly symmetrical ones are sometimes won for the side with the move and sometimes won for the side without the move!
I feel this calls for the animated emoji.
@7453
"What is not equal about a draw?" ++ There can be no success as it already is a draw.
What is not equal about, "There can be no success as it already is a draw", then. Put it that way.
"you quote a bum rule" ++ I quote a Capablanca rule, so you are the bum.
It was you that quoted the rule, not me.
"Nothing in your rule about 7 men."
++ This thread is about weakly solving chess i.e. from 32 to 8 men.
Whatever the thread is about, it remains a fact that there is nothing in your rule about 7 men. If you don't have an answer you should just admit it instead of talking about something else.
"You still don't understand what strongly solved means"
++ I understand that, you do not.
Strongly solved is being used for a game for which a strategy has been determined to achieve the game-theoretic value against any opposition.
That is what the 7-men endgame table base has done for all positions with 7 men or less.
The final position shown below has a game-theoretic value of "draw" under FIDE competition rules chess (suitably amended to be capable of solution). The only move to draw is 26...Ka1. The strategy of any tablebase is to play 26...Kc1 which loses.
Would it be possible for you to take that in at some point?
@7455
"due to having to do this with quintillions of positions" ++ Not according to me.
General case: calculation until the 7-men endgame table base.
Special cases: no further calculation for clear wins or clear draws.
"an amateur human chessplayer to make a proclamation as to whether other things are equal"
++ No. Sveshnikov called for good assistants, I understand that as (ICCF) (grand)masters.
But yes, for 1 e4 e5 2 Ba6? it is that obvious that also an amateur human chessplayer can see it.
@Optimissed: @tygxc's brain is missing.
That could be a knee jerk reaction because of President Reagan.
I was actually thinking of Kennedy.
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"So the World, as in the English nation centred on London" is a viewpoint that fits oh-so-well with your worldview and your outlook on your own personal importance to the planet. ...
Not even from London. He's from the third world. Wigan!
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"You still don't understand what strongly solved means"
++ I understand that, you do not.
Strongly solved is being used for a game for which a strategy has been determined to achieve the game-theoretic value against any opposition.
That is what the 7-men endgame table base has done for all positions with 7 men or less.
The final position shown below has a game-theoretic value of "draw" under FIDE competition rules chess (suitably amended to be capable of solution). The only move to draw is 26...Ka1. The strategy of any tablebase is to play 26...Kc1 which loses.
Would it be possible for you to take that in at some point?
++No.
@tygxc apparently believes that if he can down vote 10^9 posts a second for the next 5 years he will have solved chess.
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"So the World, as in the English nation centred on London" is a viewpoint that fits oh-so-well with your worldview and your outlook on your own personal importance to the planet. ...
Not even from London. He's from the third world. Wigan!
I didn't think it worth answering. He makes some good points sometimes but is still a person who is far too opinionated: incommensurately with his knowledge of the outside world. Whenever he sees an opinion he doesn't like, he doesn't argue rationally and honestly but just makes things up and gives his view of the world as he likes to imagine it. That consists of pretty much everybody else being wrong. Can't help it I suppose .... he's part of what I was referring to.
With the internet, more and more people are starting to understand what others think of them when they behave like that .... blind reactions in defence of what they see as their heritage but all it does is perpetuate what is wrong with it.
I'm not from Wigan but I liked it enough to have stayed here 40 years. I've lived in London for four years or so, Liverpool for five, Canada and India for short times, and am from the two Northern counties in England .... Cumberland, which is now a part of Cumbria, and Northumberland. No wonder people get jealous, regarding those two counties!
The bolded section could be any number of posters talking about you. You seem to know deep down what you are, but then choose to pretend you are not and project your traits onto others.
In this case, since I was clearly making a fanciful scenario, your point doesn't even make sense. Unless you actually see yourself as a demi-god striding the hills of middle England...there is that possibility, and in your case I can't completely dismiss it.
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No, they're talking about you. I've seen numerous posts, some recently, where people are saying you just make things up. Also your recent tirades against various people, whom you see as trolls, are quite noticeable for their sheer pointlessness.
I didn't actually read that post MAR was referring to because it was quite obvious you were taking my comment out of context. A few hundred years ago, London was very much the centre of the relevant world. I should stop trying to quarrel with too many people at once if I were you. People might think you're a troll. It's quite clear you project all your many insecurities onto others and then claim they are doing the projecting. Pretty mad, so calm down. You were doing ok.
See? Case in point. Projection.
Produce some of these mythical people and posts. Then produce some of this mythical anger and lack of calm.
As always, you will produce nothing when called out on your "lots of people think this" appeal to false majorities.
I did have one pointless exchange recently, but I actually was the one who pointed out that it was pointless. This is where your fuzzy memory took over and filled in some blanks, I suspect. I doubt you can even find and link that, though...
here you two go mounting again : j
btw, projections are usually subconscious. not to say one can’t be self aware, but, yea, take that in mind blue..
here you two go mounting again : j
btw, projections are usually subconscious. not to say one can’t be self aware, but, yea, take that in mind blue..
Keep your personal fantasies private. Thanks.
lol.
Don't involve me ok? He's been shooting off against anyone in the past two days.
Statistically, this is going to happen. I can't control when people choose to make ridiculous posts. Luckily, I have no problem holding a dozen posters at bay with one arm behind my back while yawning...
Note how I am actually kidding about being superior to other posters just there. A difference in perspective and expression you should emulate.
@7448
Your position is already a draw per Laws of Chess 5.2.2.
There is no need for any further calculation or evaluation.