Chess will never be solved, here's why

"++ That today's engines play perfectly is no premise at all.
The observed fact is that now 106 games out of 106 drawing the ICCF World Championship Finals with 17 ICCF (grand)masters with multiple engines and at average 5 days/move.
The conclusion is that these (grand)masters with their engines now play perfectly"

thats not a conclusion lmfao. thats you just making it the premise while waving your hands

here's the thing: Tygxc ISN'T educated. the way he handles the topics he throws around are clearly of someone who has only seen them once or twice on the internet, and has dunning-krugered himself into thinking he understands them.

its very much like how an anti-vaxxer or climate change denier would form their argument, except that the climate change deniers/antivaxxers have more self awareness than tygxc.

Eh, the whole anti/pro vaxx thing is a mess, the opinions that are discussed are usually one extreme or the other... This chess being solved discussion has taken a more objective direction, what can or can't we prove with the information we have.

the way he forms his arguments, he hasnt taken a mathematical proof course in his life, or has completely forgotten everything in them. of course, one doesnt need a math course to see the errors in tygxc's "logic", as they are all such basic errors.

you havent been looking at tygxc's claims and arguments.

hes been claiming that a lack of counterexample provided is an absolute mathematical proof

hes been basing his 5-year solution argument off of a calculation error he made with a factor of 100 million.

he claims that chess is mathematically proven to be a draw, because these engines "have perfect play". and whats the mathematical proof tygxc provides for the engines having "perfect play"? he claims that they have perfect play because chess is a draw.

Chess can be solved via CCAODW. Go to one of the forums that give advice to beginners to see that rule.

Congratulations - we can all stop posting now.

Er, what was the answer by the way?

What does that mean exactly causei have a feeling that doesn't solve a board game just certain positions

What tyxgc is doing is a perfect example of "hope chessing"

@Optimissed's approach is obviously far superior. He fails to either read the question or understand the basics of the subject and instead makes up his own meanings for the terms in which it is discussed then fills up half the thread with totally useless verbiage that is at cross purposes with everybody else. Well past mature enough, you can almost see the maggots wriggling.

Plot twist dio ,playerafar ,optimmissed, and ellroch is the same person and all just troll alts

Is it just me or does optimissed sound like chatgpt

It's just you. ChatGPT gives much more of an impression of making sense.

This is a typically excruciating example of @Optimist narcissistically thinking he can ignore the standard definition "game of perfect information", guess in a very muddled way what it might mean based on the use of the same words in non-technical English (entirely irrelevant), and then make a proclamation of no substance, and to think that he has contributed something useful to the discussion (excuse me, I mean boosted his reputation).

For those who are interested in discussing technical subjects rather than boosting their egos, such discussions start with the acceptance of standard terminology (requiring some study to fully understand exactly what it means) and then communicating using that terminology, acknowledging the state of knowledge in the peer-reviewed and secondary literature on the subject (on such subjects the technical quality of Wikipedia articles tends to be high enough to make them useful introductions, with plenty of pointers to other material).

Alright gentlemen, you're not going to solve chess with these subpar insults.

True

They are acting like chat gpt insults but on drugs

Interesting theory, we should ask chat gpt simulate meth use and see if the output will be similar to what is seen here.

I don't have chatgpt though lol

I don't think it is chat gpt chat gpt is too nice for that

Unless it might be one of those personality gpts that are insulting if it is it could be that

So you are using chatgpt

Well you know the saying

Two+two=5