Chess will never be solved, here's why

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LordHunkyhair3 wrote:

Quite the heated arguement ensuing in this thread

It's mild for the time of year.

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Optimissed wrote:

He still has this tendency to invent things a bit and fantasise but I really like him and he wears a rare line in knickers. He said so. He even assumed that I wear them. That's what friendship does.

Optimissed likes to go full-on fabrication when things don't turn out the way he hoped. His seemingly deep-rooted obsession with lingerie is apparently a separate issue.

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Ah, I thought you probably wear separates. Talking of fabrics, I don't hope for anything. Really. Life is good. I hope that those I love will have more of it.

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There are two methods which chess can be solved in:

Method 1.

There are 64 squares, 32 pieces, billions of players over all 1500 years. Not a single human solved chess. Even artificial intelligence can't solve it. Well, if chess.com creates a 50,000 Fide rated computer then we can consider chess as solved. We'll only need a few NASA supercomputers, add all the power and turn it into 1 ULTRA computer and name the computer "infinity". After that, they'll only need 50,000 people to code for 500 years straight and chess will officially be solved.

Method 2:

Change the rules so that one side can win in 10 forced moves.

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Anyway, nice talking to you Dio. I enjoyed our conversation the other day and decided that you have hidden qualities when you actually decide to use them. Do it more often because it gives a good impression.

My wife has commanded my presence.

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Optimissed wrote:

Anyway, nice talking to you Dio. I enjoyed our conversation the other day and decided that you have hidden qualities when you actually decide to use them. Do it more often because it gives a good impression.

My wife has commanded my presence.

And my life has commanded my disappearance eternally...

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

He still has this tendency to invent things a bit and fantasise but I really like him and he wears a rare line in knickers. He said so. He even assumed that I wear them. That's what friendship does.

Optimissed likes to go full-on fabrication when things don't turn out the way he hoped. His seemingly deep-rooted obsession with lingerie is apparently a separate issue.

That's right.
When I reminded him he was blocked in Dio's Covid forum for attacking other posters - O went into full denial and projected his own dishonesty.
I have never seen Dio lie or fabricate even once.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/covid-19-discussion
Here's the entry on the Covid forum: there's a list of blocked people and why they were blocked.
"@Optimissed for attacking other posters (https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/covid-19-discussion?page=150#comment-62695593)"
@Optimissed would also be blockable for spreading Covid disinformation.

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Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:

@MEGCHE3SE is right and to the point, as usual.

Of course. I think it would be quite important to you to push that angle, since you're wrong on everything you've claimed.

Which would tend to mean coming from O that Elroch is Right on everything Elroch has claimed and suggested and patiently and accurately communicated.

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i had no idea opt was spreading covid disinformation.

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Dio doesn't really seem to lie at all or make up excuses either megache3se seems to not either but can get a bit aggressive sometimes if people are stubborn

Of course Dio doesn't lie. He doesn't need to.
Nor does Elroch. Who you've underestimated.
Here's your accurate Phrase from just now
"- delusional but I think that is a more accurate term for how O acts"
Yes. Of course!!
But the key thing there is that you saw that On Your Own!
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And if you really have had some psychology training - 
then you'll know about distinguishing paranoid schizophrenia from the much rarer and intricate 'delusional disorder paranoid type' which is classical paranoia as in the DSM series but they renamed it ...
and you would know about the further distinction with 'paranoid personality disorder' where 'delusions if present are transient and not well organized'.
O's delusions come and go. They are indeed not well organized. Not intricate.
Except that he keeps returning to the same ones.
There's a cycle.
He imagines himself to have an authority which happens to not ever exist.
Grandiosity in other words. Probably his central recurring delusion.

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BC you made progress.
I'm surprised. I didn't expect it.
happy

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Ok the thing is the reason I actual was disagreeing with you(I explained this super poorly) was that online personalities aren't real you shouldn't assume things about people just cause they are being kinda dumb online and you were getting too aggressive and insulting like it was some reddit post war

If you are suggesting that the O personna is fabricated - that's a definite possibility. Often one can't be certain.
I haven't 'assumed'.
Absolutely everything he's represented about himself could be phony -
because his credibility is so low.
In other words a 'manufactured personna'.
But that's only a possibility.
And I think its unlikely because of the tremendous effort and his foolish investment over a ten year period. Without much political ideology.
His obsessions are centered on himself. Doesn't fit with alt account 'operations'.
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I have encountered several fake 'alt' personalities here over the years.
They often make little or no effort to conceal its the same person and same personality but with different account names. Many llama accounts. Itude accounts. Many Virdi accounts and so on.
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Others (a few) make a tremendous effort to create multiple very different 'personnas'. Different nationalities - gender - age group - education level - profession - everything.
If you know about the UP account - then you know what I'm talking about.
I think of 'alt account operations' as a form of trolling.
I call it 'type 1 trolling' because alt accounts have been the biggest problem for the website management over the years for multiple reasons.
But there's also type 7 and type 8 trolling.
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BC has it occurred to you that partisan organizations would send professional trolling people into very busy websites like chess.com?
If you think about it for a minute - you might realize its very unlikely they wouldn't. Unlikely that its not happening at all. Paid trolling people.
That's what I call 'type 7'. Often goes with Type 1 - a much larger group.
Before dismissing - consider all the other wrongful things that go on on the internet. You would know.
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But O doesn't really fit with type 7. Nor with type 1.
He's much more types 2 and 3. Trolling obsessions with credentials and things like chess titles and ratings is type 2. Common on this site.
And the even more common type 3. The most common type.
There's some type 8 in him. 'Operations' trolling.
PM's and maneuvers - attempts to manipulate the staff and opening posters and the like. It often boomerangs on him. Which he entirely deserves.
But some people are very good at that.

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BC if you've put in time on Reddit - then maybe you know a great deal about internet personality behaviours and social media issues.
I've never been on Reddit.
I sometimes see google entries on Reddit but I've never been a member there.
Nor twitter nor quora nor stack overflow.

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Still BC you're willing to make the effort to discern different types.
You're willing to admit the possibilities of you making errors.
As you know - not everyone is willing to So Admit.
happy

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Talking Back to people who troll intensely should be distinguished from 'trolling' and 'Ad hom'.
Many people don't talk back because they regard that as 'Feeding'.
'Never Feed the trolling person'.
But there's an improvement.
'Operate on your own terms - not dogmatic terms. Give the trollling person what he doesn't want.'
The person best at interfering with trolling persons and disinfo people on the website - is Dio.
He's very very good at it. A 'natural'.
Elroch very good at interfering with disinfo too. He's efficient at dealing with trolling persons.
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Guys, who's Elroch? I know who Dio is but not Elroch

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MEGACHE3SE wrote:

i had no idea opt was spreading covid disinformation.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you, since you don't understand that there's no disinformation. All info is info. It's yours to use as best you may.

Now, I disagree with the likes of Elroch, player and Dio regarding what the proper response to Covid was. There should have been a very brief lockdown to prepare hospitals and infrastructure. Obviously the jabs don't stop you catching it and spreading it so if they lower the symptoms, you have more chance of not noticing and spreading the disease. The lockdowns, as they were, killed over a million people who didn't get proper care for other ailments. Almost everyone knows of someone who died from Covid complications but they'll know more who missed out on vital hospital appointments because of it. It's vital that the World Health Organisation is discredited because they put themselves above the law and in future they will mandate damaging responses. I haven't even mentioned the apparent health problems the jabs are causing, because it's too early for there to be proof.

Given all this, it's natural that this bunch of oiks will use every chance they have to dicredit what they don't want to hear. I don't think BigChesspayer665 is being all that helpful because, by attempting to steer a middle path, he's unable to reach proper understanding, because he's doing it to try to appease the fake intellectuals.

There's no doubt that this thread is full of fake intellectuals. That is, people who don't have the expertise or ability to understand what's really going on, yet pretend they know it all. If you were an intelligent person, you would definitely be agreeing with me over my criticism of their approach to this solving chess discussion. There's much too much laying down the law by loudly claiming that the proper way to analyse it is mathematically, which a proper mathematician would laugh at or, at least, disagree with.

So go with the majority if you wish. The fact that making such a choice will hold you back and tend to prevent you making wise judgements in the future isn't my concern. However, I would think it should be your concern if you want to make a success of your life. If you want to emulate life's failures, go ahead. Learn to think like they do. Don't bother asking others what THEY think of those people. You'll probably end up like them and they'll have succeeded in keeping yet another person down. That's what they like to do because it amuses them and makes them feel that they've accomplished someone.

The bottom line is that none of them like people who can use their brains, because they feel threatened by it.

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playerafar wrote:
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Will Elroch's great post be wasted on tygxc?
I don't know. 
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Yes you do.

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:

What I heard was he was attacking others

But I doubt Elroch was right about everything from what I have seen he wasn't no one is right on everythint including myself

The problem with statements like that is you need to be able to back them up. Find one thing I have said that was wrong - you say you have already done so, so it should be really easy.

While trying, bear in mind the relevance to the claim by our resident narcissist that I am always wrong. happy.png

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Elroch wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

What I heard was he was attacking others

But I doubt Elroch was right about everything from what I have seen he wasn't no one is right on everythint including myself

The problem with statements like that is you need to be able to back them up. Find one thing I have said that was wrong - you say you have already done so, so it should be really easy.

While trying, bear in mind the relevance to the claim by our resident narcissist that I am always wrong.

Whenever I point out something you say is wrong, you either throw a tantrum or deflect. Unlike Bigchessplayer, I know very well that you are not honest. I also know that you aren't bright, since otherwise you would realise the value of honesty.